I believe that "living document" means that the founding fathers understood that at times the Constittution would need to be changed; this change, however, was to be deliberate and with an intentional process. It is not up to us to interpret the Constitution: that is up to the courts. Different courts though, have ruled different ways on relatively similar issues.

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Thats why there is the Supreme Court. Only problem is Sotomayor has already said she will use her "experience" not the constitution to decide issues.

 

Some good reading. When you have a little time to spare.

The Heritage Foundation-The Progressive Movement and the Transformation of American Politics

 

As much as I agree that we are losing rights and that government is stepping all over the constitution, it didn't start with Obama. In the name of protection from terrorism Bush took more freedoms from us than any other administration.

 

There are many who believe that Article 5 proved the the Founders were aware that within the framework that they'd built there would be the need for modifications. I don't think that Aricle 5 was ever intended to permit any politician to "remake" America.

 

wittom: good call man!

Look, we're not asking for it to be 1776 again, we just want those who think that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Geitner and all of those "czars" that think they are helping America take a step back and look at what is going on. Government is suppose to support us in our ideas of what we want for the country. That's why we elected them. Granted, alot of people were snowballed by Obama and his promises of "change" and look where it got them. Debt that my unborn grandchildren already have, a gov't that now owns a car company, and soon to be gov't run health care. This is not what we wanted. It is also NOT what our founding fathers wanted.

 

We already had over ten trillion in debt which W is responsible for over 7 trillion of it. He inherited a budget surplus and a debt around 3 trillion that was being paid down. W had already donated a big chunk of our money to AIG, the banks, GM and Chrysler. Government has grown bigger and bigger going back to FDR and it will continue to do so as long as the Dems or Reps are in there. They both are two of the same just they spin it slightly differently!

 

Game over for the Constitution.

Unfortunately, it isn't taugh in schools anymore thanks to ultra-liberal teachers and academics. Most students actually think we are a democracy and not a representative republic.

The President and Congress are only supposed to have powers that are prescribed by the Constitution itself. That means that any other powers are given to the states (the people) and that the gov't is not to usurp.

Federal gov't is only supposed to be there for the protection of the nation and to provide basic services. Now that the gov't has its hands in regulating and taxing almost anything, they have inflated our currency by over-taxing and over-spending.

Whlie Americans sit back and pop-a-top and watch Sportscenter.

 

W is not responsible for over 7 trillion. You really need to go look at a chart....Geesh.

 

Alright then. So, now what?

So the name of the game is going to be blame the past administrations to justify what is happening today? The problems with our government have been getting progressively worse for more than a century. I understand that it's easier for the general public to Monday morning quarterback while simultaneously having the wool pulled right over their eyes. It's become apparent to a handful of us in this country that it's going to require some effort to reverse a trend that's been fomenting for more than a century.

If people want to try to make this a Bush vs. Obama thing, that's their prerogative. I, and a relative handful of Americans would like this a We The People thing. The founders came up with the Constitutions to ensure that we were governed for the people, by the people. They didn't allow for that to change. Only to modify proceedures.

 

It's funny you mention this...

There are laws for laws on top of laws.

Personally, I believe that the only law should be the Constitution.

I think Obama should throw out all the laws, from Legislative Laws and Common Laws and the Regulatory Laws. And start over with simplified laws.

The laws of this country are way to confusing and provide hardly any breathing room for freedom.

 

Interesting point here---but I think you are incorrect---at least from my point of view---an educator's, that is. Heck, even I teach it, and I teach English! I know that the SS dept at my school is heavy into it. I also understand that there are questions dealing about it, its history, and recent rulings on the Ohio Graduation Test. So, in quite a few schools all over Ohio, (at least), it is taught, discussed, and debated. Be careful to make assertions that you know little about, or have beliefs that are not factual.

When was the last time you wre in a classroom, Frank? Did you know that a teacher's lesson plans are,in effect, public documents, and that you can request to view them? If your taxes are supporting the schools, why not take the time to see exactly what is being taught, how it is being taught, and who is teachng it it, rather than leaving it to conjecture?

Cripes, Frank, my students had to write research papers about it, and debate parts of it. We even researched John Locke, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. If you take a look at the SS curriculum for the state of Ohio, you will see the US Constitution at its core.

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I'm glad to hear that your district is doing the right thing, but one only needs to take a poll to find that Frank is corrrect. I have asked every person who has opened the door to political discussion if our government system is a democracy, and their answer is nearly always yes, with many wondering if it was a trick question.

As for the OP's question, I'm glad you are willing to bring up this debate, because it really gets to the core of where our greatest problem is here in this country. And the earlier comparison of our voters to sports fans who don't know the rules, but just prefer to root for whichever team is winning (the media decides this) is spot on.

If one more person justifies Obama's terrible policies by bringing up any previous administration's blunders, I am going to vomit all over my keyboard.

 

This was sent to me by email. I can't claim to know it to be true about any white house visit.. but it is a great video.


This guy's video on youtube has been so popular that Obama
called him personally. He said that he was very disturbed with the video and

invited him to the White House. Obama also said he wanted the White House to

handle the Press and not to talk about the video or the White House visit.
That's interesting.

Watch it now. This may be the best six minutes invested in
your future
You may have to turn your Sound Control up some.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA>

 

If Obama actually believes that this country's constitution is a living breathing document, then I suppose we could bring him up on murder charges?????

Seriously though the destruciton of our Constitution started along time ago, Obama is just doing right in front of out faces and as fast as possible. I believe that the reasons it has been altered in the past serves to keep us safer or to help prosparity. Obamas moves are for power.