http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517448,00.html

"The court will weigh whether New Haven's decision to scrap a promotion exam because too few minorities passed violates the civil rights of top-scoring white applicants."

This is where affirmative action goes to far.

 

i agree, with the suit. they need to all be on the same playing field. unless the test asks for secret "whiteboy" only info, they should take it. Affirmative Action does work both ways.

 

It's retarded. They try to give a way to quantify promotions. Do well on the test = better chance for promotion since the test is supposed to be an indicator of ability in the wanted position.

So... Since too many minorities didn't do well on said test, they scrap it. Now that's smart. Hasn't affirmative action run it's course and reached the time for it to die? It's just pointless and promoting stupidity now.

 

It's the same premise as municipalities that give minorities a higher starting score than anyone else on Civil Service exams. Whatever happened to the best man for the job?

 

A majority of the voters said that they wanted a government that created a "commune" for us all to live in. It's not only money that's being leveled. Talent is as well. If someone has more, or "too much" talent, some of the rewards for that talent are taken from the person with talent and given to someone who has less of it.

One big happy commune, right?

 

Admissions to many universities has been handled this way for years.

If standardized test scores and GPA were the only criteria, the student body of the best public universities would have a much different racial composition than society as a whole. Apparently, we can't have that.

What do you tell a kid who scored better on a standardized test than 80% of the admitted students to a public university, but was rejected because there were already too many of his race admitted? How much solace do we expect that student to take knowing that someone who scored fare lower was accepted in his place?

 

I hope these guys win HUGE. I'm so sick of this crap, I wonder how often it happens and nobody knows/finds out.

 

No, wittom, this goes way back before Obama---the suit was filed BEFORE OBAMA was even running for office. This goes back to the affirmative action days of the late '60's as well as the '70's. Don't even think of pinning this on the current administration.

That being said, though, it is time for the court to rule that race should play no part in this---it indeed have its place when it was needed, but it is not needed anymore. The fireman have a great case; I hope the court sees it their way.

Tim C.

 

You don't have to get defensive. If you read what I wrote, I wasn't pinning anything on Obama or his administration. I understand where it goes back to. I also understand that the type of people who started it then have proven to be very influential people now.

I metioned the voters, not who they voted for.

 

I did read it,Tom, ---several times. Sorry, but I feel that it is pretty transparent what (or who) you were attacking---the current administration. You have done so readily in past posts, (which is OK) but it seems that you are eager---too eager to blame EVERYTHING ON HIM. Look at the italicized words--which imply that your problems with his apparent "socialism" (...money that's being leveled (AKA TAXES)) to the leveling of talent. You also used the word commune---which you also find analogous to socialism. Don't be too quick to condemn those who have had no part in the problem. This began about the time that you were born---it served its purpose, but is now certainly counterproductive.

Why say the voters if you mean past administrations, such as the Johnson and Nixon admins, as well as others...You have repeatedly found fault with those who voted (AKA voters) Obama into office---and your "Freudian slip" keeps appearing in your posts.

TSC

 

I just received a letter in the mail. I have to report to the local hospital for disfigurement. Apparently, I have an unfair advantage with the ladies....

 

Well, you are entitled to call it the way you see it. Maybe your seeing something that I'm not.

I'm not blaming EVERYTHING ON HIM. I'm just calling it as I see it. If I, as a younger person, had had the wisdom of years lived, I might have seen the extent of the roll past administrations have played earlier. Had I paid more attention to history an politics in my more formative years, and not spent quite as much time growing up, I might be informed enough to find fault in all who have taken part in the effort to make the blueprint that was created for our governemnt irrelevent. The truth is, if I were to be so thorough, my post would be the size of a novel, and no one, even fewer than already do, would read what I've written.

My issue is not with one person, or one administration. My issue is with the mindset that drives a portion, currently a majority, of our population to believe that it's within the governments scope to alter the field in order for some to succede, at the expense of some one elses success. This mindset had been around for a long time. Throughout the history of mankind. It's been in this country for a long time. In the time period that you've mentioned, it really began to take hold, as you know because you've lived through it. It may have done good at some points, but not without a price. We are paying that price, dearly, today.

I don't believe that I'm condeming anyone who hasn't had a part in the problem. Some people may not have been born untill the time when the movement gained significant momentum in this country, but that doesn't make them innocent. Some people have made a career of trying to level. To make everything "fair". For as long as the movement has been around, the sailing has never been as smooth as it is now. There are enough influential people in influential positions to clear the path to some pretty serious changes that I, and many others, believe will come at an enormous price.

This exodus from the values and principals that this country was founded upon started some time ago. There may have even been times in my own life where I was more of a part of the problem, and not part of a solution. When I can find more time during my persuit of happieness, I'll try to be more informed about who has taken part in the erosion of our country.

The voters seem more interested in a rock star than someone who can lead a government for the people, by the people. In my lifetime, there hasn't been anyone who fits that rock star image better than our current president. He's said a lot of things that people believe in. I just don't think that people realize the price that comes with what he's offering the American people. This applies to past presidents and their administrations but preservation needs to happen in the present. More and more people are looking hard enough to see the price that we will have to pay for a mans image and oratory skills.

There is no time like the present to reverse the trend of strong armed government. The fact that our president has rock star status is all the more reason to bring our government, and ourselves, back to reality.

 

Tell me, Tom, what does the "rock star status" of our president (if there actually is indeed that) have to do with a reverse discrimination suit filed by people that has gone in front of the Supreme Court? What on earth does Obama's image have to do with a law suit that began its pathway to the USSC about five years ago--when Bush was in office? How in the world does Obama have anything to do with this?

Honestly, Tom; your argument makes no sense---your "conscience" showed up the Wednesday after that fateful Tuesday in November when Obama was elected to office. Until that time, you complained not at all about governmental issues...and you defended the previous administration.

You call it as you see it; you are blindly prejudiced and are now blaming social ills on a man that has been in office 100 days.

Face it Tom, it is quite easy to see through your charade. You say one thing---blaming a "rock star status president"; when you are called on it, you simply say, "Oh no, I have now discovered a conscience.' No...what you actually discovered is an intense dislike for the current administration; that is alright. What is not alright is you blindly blaming him for things that are not even close to being in the realm of his fault.

Why were you not examining social issues like this earlier? No---that fateful Tuesday in November---on the Wednesday AM you discovered your conscience.

Tim C.

 

I still haven't form a real oppinion of him yet. I'm waiting to see how he reacts to the Iran issue. That's a make it or break it issue.

 

i dont see how this turned into a Obama thread but ok