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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:38 PM
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USA Gun Law Question

For you guys that know, I have a couple questions.

On 60 Minutes tonight they were saying that a guy could walk into a gun show in Virginia and buy hand guns, whatever he wants, ammo, Glocks, etc, and basically just "cash n' carry.

Not required to show Identification, just pay and leave.

Is this true?
Let's say it's true, and a guy drove from say NY state to Virginia and bought a Glock and a duffle bag full of ammo, and was heading back home with his new purchases, but on the way, Smokey Bear pulled him over and found the stuff in the trunk.

What kind of laws would he be in violation of if say the guy didn't have any permits? Would he get the stuff confiscated? a Big Fine? How does it work down there?

Over here it's very difficult to own a revolver.
You have to belong to a gun club, have police checks up the wazoo, make sure you don't have history of mental illness, safety courses, etc etc.

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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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I'm not current on the law, but I can tell you I have had a far different experience here in VA. I have purchased 2 handguns in the past 2 months at gun shows. In both, I had to show two forms of ID and something saying I actually lived in VA (military). They both took over 30 minutes to complete as they had to run a background check and I have a CWP for VA.

I can also tell you that at the gun shows here in VA, if they don't like your attitude or your "reason" or percieved "reason" for buying they can and will turn you away. I saw no less that 4 "thugs" get turned away for purchases just because of the attitude they carried with them.

Anyways, just had to respond has I live here in VA and have recent purchase experience.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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I was watching that also. Here in Mississippi, to buy a gun at a gun show you have to go through the same background checks as you would if you made the purchase in a store. No different, I have done it at both gun shows and at a store. Im not exactly sure what the "Gun Show Loop Hole" is.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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Absolutely untrue. You have to show ID and go through the background check required by the Brady Bill. It is the exact same as buying a gun from a handgun dealer. To take it one step further... if you are not a resident of the state the gun show is in you can not buy any gun at the out of state gun show. It used to be just handguns on the out of state rule, but I believe it includes long guns now as well.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 08:55 PM
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Thanks 05,

Basically they were saying that 'technically' you had to show ID, but a few sneaky sellers waived that option if the buyer agreed to pay $15 more.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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Consider the source.
And since no one else addressed it. Smokey Bear could run the serial numbers to report it stolen but if it isnt reported stolen, and it's not loaded, you are all right. Even if you had 10k rounds of ammo.

Also, its more of a pain in the butt to buy guns across state lines of residence. I have never bought a Handgun across state lines but rifle, yes and it wasnt any different. But the store told me it was a different "ballgame" if I was purchasing a handgun.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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I've got to go down to my local police station and pick up the required applications to own firearms. It looks like quite a lengthy ordeal, but it must be done.

My wife's dad is dying and is leaving his extensive gun collection to me, so I've got to go make it all legal like.

I carried AR-15's and .38's at work, but that was on a federal reserve, so I never required any special permits, but now as a private citizen, it's a different set of rules for me.

I wonder how many hoops I am going to jump through, should be interesting.

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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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You can always purchase a gun across state lines; wether it be long gun or handgun, but it must be done through a FFL. The FFL, or firearms dealer is the go between that allows you to purchase the gun. FFL's can ship and receive firearms where as everyone else can not.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by s2krn
You can always purchase a gun across state lines; wether it be long gun or handgun, but it must be done through a FFL. The FFL, or firearms dealer is the go between that allows you to purchase the gun. FFL's can ship and receive firearms where as everyone else can not.

Thanks man.

Whatever happens, my wife will not have the key for the AMMO!
menopause and firearms are a bad combo.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 09:22 PM
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did you know you can also buy RPGs at 7-11? I just got back from Sams Club where i picked up a of case hand grenades and a deuce and a half full of .50 BMG



 

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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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This may come as a shock, but CBS will lie about gun laws at the drop of a hat.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 10:56 PM
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In Texas, I can sell you a gun, unregistered, no paperwork, no ID, no checks of any kind required. A good seller though is going to ask for a Texas drivers license. No license, no sale for a good seller. But there are folks that will sell guns to whoever has the money. This does not have to be at a gunshow. A lot of folks here sell their guns via newspaper ads, to friends of friends, etc. with zero paperwork. Personally, I won't own a gun with paperwork. But I also have a relative that is an attorney that checks the serial number to make sure it isn't a stolen gun. I won't have a stolen gun in my possession or my collection.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
Thanks man.

Whatever happens, my wife will not have the key for the AMMO!
menopause and firearms are a bad combo.
Oh God don't I know that!! I have went thru that time with 2 women.. and my current wife is getting to that age... I dred that time!
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Oh God don't I know that!! I have went thru that time with 2 women.. and my current wife is getting to that age... I dred that time!
Welcome to an 8 year hot flash/cold flash
We need support groups, haha.
Good luck to you Chris, (again) but at least you know what to expect.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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I saw the same piece on 60 Minutes tonight. Let's just say that truth is much less than optional at CBS (or any of the other major media sources). All I saw was a bunch of mis truths and knee-jerk emotional crap meant to steer the audience. Virtually all the "facts" that were quoted were lies. The "Gun Show Loophole" as it is called is only between private sellers, not actual dealers. At every gun show I have ever been to the people at the tables were all dealers. The private sellers are selling their own personal weapons and might be walking in the crowd. As a private citizen you do not have access to the transfer forms to do a background check. As far as I know it must be done through a FFL holder.

As a side note, I heard them mention selling "Assault Weapons" more times than I could count. I did not see a single true assault weapon in the piece. All I saw were scary looking black guns. A true assault weapon is select fire and were restricted in the USA before they were even invented.
 
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