Lamb of God
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From: Hollywood, CA
The way it works is like this:
A person with capital (money and assets) invests in an enterprise to create a product or service for SALE. The person employs other persons creating jobs and generating revenue for payroll and operating costs. The band comes in and records at the owners expense. The band goes on the road at the owners expense. The band gets marketed at the owners expense. All of the production costs are incurred by the producer, the guy behind the scenes, and remember, the producer has the money, the band has a line of CREDIT. At the end of the first year on the road the BAND gets the BILL from the OWNER/PRODUCER. Bands are not multimillionaires unless they are individually owned and operated. If bands are millionaires, then the record label has even more money.
This is not the issue. The issue is your paradigm of entitlement. While one person not shelling out $7 may seem insignificant, the millions of others with the exact same paradigm and lack of respect and discipline are operating under the same guise.
"Since you have all the money, you should produce entertainment for me at your expense and the expense of others......"
I was just like you. I "Stole" plenty of music. After being in the business and realizing what a hypocrite I was being, I wiped the hard drives and started over again....LEGALLY. Legal rights are put in place to protect your assets including intellectual property. Should you continue your current course of action, be apprised that you are in essence negating that very protection for your self BY YOUR ACTIONS. I have spent a few hours recording little bands that have tremendous talent and paid me really hard earned money to produce something they hoped to market for a profit.
People like yourself make that very hard.
A person with capital (money and assets) invests in an enterprise to create a product or service for SALE. The person employs other persons creating jobs and generating revenue for payroll and operating costs. The band comes in and records at the owners expense. The band goes on the road at the owners expense. The band gets marketed at the owners expense. All of the production costs are incurred by the producer, the guy behind the scenes, and remember, the producer has the money, the band has a line of CREDIT. At the end of the first year on the road the BAND gets the BILL from the OWNER/PRODUCER. Bands are not multimillionaires unless they are individually owned and operated. If bands are millionaires, then the record label has even more money.
This is not the issue. The issue is your paradigm of entitlement. While one person not shelling out $7 may seem insignificant, the millions of others with the exact same paradigm and lack of respect and discipline are operating under the same guise.
"Since you have all the money, you should produce entertainment for me at your expense and the expense of others......"
I was just like you. I "Stole" plenty of music. After being in the business and realizing what a hypocrite I was being, I wiped the hard drives and started over again....LEGALLY. Legal rights are put in place to protect your assets including intellectual property. Should you continue your current course of action, be apprised that you are in essence negating that very protection for your self BY YOUR ACTIONS. I have spent a few hours recording little bands that have tremendous talent and paid me really hard earned money to produce something they hoped to market for a profit.
People like yourself make that very hard.
Band A sucks. People hear one single on the radio (where they didn't pay and can record, which nullifies anything you just said) that is ok. They buy the album, hate it. Band A and the label makes money. Customer got screwed, but whatever, people were paid for their work.
Band B rocks. People hear one single, download the rest, check it out, love it, buy it, everyone is happy. Sure, some people don't buy it, but they weren't going to anyway. Nobody gets screwed.
If a band sucks, they don't deserve people to pay for their songs, I don't give a damn how much work anyone put into anything. People have a right to know.
If I hear something that is good, I go buy it. Most people do. This is why Eminem, AC/DC, Metallica, all the way to Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and other artists don't have any trouble selling albums. If there were no platinum albums because of the big bad pirates on the internet, then your argument would hold water. Legally, we can get the music anyway (radio, other venues) so making it easier to make up your mind on whether or not something is worth buying isn't theft, it's smart shopping.
Paying for what the band does just because they were on credit and not already millionaires is a moot point. If they suck, they don't deserve my money. Thank the Lord that I get to make my mind up before buying, and everyone else does, too.
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From: spring, texas
I will just steal from you now on
Oh hell no.
Band A sucks. People hear one single on the radio (where they didn't pay and can record, which nullifies anything you just said) that is ok. They buy the album, hate it. Band A and the label makes money. Customer got screwed, but whatever, people were paid for their work.
Band B rocks. People hear one single, download the rest, check it out, love it, buy it, everyone is happy. Sure, some people don't buy it, but they weren't going to anyway. Nobody gets screwed.
If a band sucks, they don't deserve people to pay for their songs, I don't give a damn how much work anyone put into anything. People have a right to know.
If I hear something that is good, I go buy it. Most people do. This is why Eminem, AC/DC, Metallica, all the way to Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and other artists don't have any trouble selling albums. If there were no platinum albums because of the big bad pirates on the internet, then your argument would hold water. Legally, we can get the music anyway (radio, other venues) so making it easier to make up your mind on whether or not something is worth buying isn't theft, it's smart shopping.
Paying for what the band does just because they were on credit and not already millionaires is a moot point. If they suck, they don't deserve my money. Thank the Lord that I get to make my mind up before buying, and everyone else does, too.
Band A sucks. People hear one single on the radio (where they didn't pay and can record, which nullifies anything you just said) that is ok. They buy the album, hate it. Band A and the label makes money. Customer got screwed, but whatever, people were paid for their work.
Band B rocks. People hear one single, download the rest, check it out, love it, buy it, everyone is happy. Sure, some people don't buy it, but they weren't going to anyway. Nobody gets screwed.
If a band sucks, they don't deserve people to pay for their songs, I don't give a damn how much work anyone put into anything. People have a right to know.
If I hear something that is good, I go buy it. Most people do. This is why Eminem, AC/DC, Metallica, all the way to Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and other artists don't have any trouble selling albums. If there were no platinum albums because of the big bad pirates on the internet, then your argument would hold water. Legally, we can get the music anyway (radio, other venues) so making it easier to make up your mind on whether or not something is worth buying isn't theft, it's smart shopping.
Paying for what the band does just because they were on credit and not already millionaires is a moot point. If they suck, they don't deserve my money. Thank the Lord that I get to make my mind up before buying, and everyone else does, too.
You can pay $10 a month for Napster and preview any tune you want. You can download it to an MP3 player. You can burn it to a CD (pay per tune) but at least you are paying for a service. If studios didn't produce musicians then it would be pretty damn hard "record" a single off a radio.The customer is not getting "screwed" because a song sucks. FYI the band doesn't make any money until the record label does. I can't stand people like you with your stupid sense of self entitlement. That is the problem with this society in general, everyone thinks they are entitled to something. What you are saying is the same thing the junkie on welfare is saying. The mother with 42 kids that feels like she is entitled to the hard earned tax dollars you put in your self. Essentially, by your philosophy, you should be ok with that. You should be ok supporting people like your self that don't see it as such a "big deal" to pilfer here and steal a song or two there. I have put a lot of time into my studio and recorded a lot of hard working musicians who I am sure would love to differ with you on this, but hey, you probably wouldn't get it any way.
God forbid you steal a tune from my studio. You would be earning your self an *** whooping like you wouldn't believe.
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From: Clemson, SC
Oh hell no.
Band A sucks. People hear one single on the radio (where they didn't pay and can record, which nullifies anything you just said) that is ok. They buy the album, hate it. Band A and the label makes money. Customer got screwed, but whatever, people were paid for their work.
Band B rocks. People hear one single, download the rest, check it out, love it, buy it, everyone is happy. Sure, some people don't buy it, but they weren't going to anyway. Nobody gets screwed.
If a band sucks, they don't deserve people to pay for their songs, I don't give a damn how much work anyone put into anything. People have a right to know.
If I hear something that is good, I go buy it. Most people do. This is why Eminem, AC/DC, Metallica, all the way to Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and other artists don't have any trouble selling albums. If there were no platinum albums because of the big bad pirates on the internet, then your argument would hold water. Legally, we can get the music anyway (radio, other venues) so making it easier to make up your mind on whether or not something is worth buying isn't theft, it's smart shopping.
Paying for what the band does just because they were on credit and not already millionaires is a moot point. If they suck, they don't deserve my money. Thank the Lord that I get to make my mind up before buying, and everyone else does, too.
Band A sucks. People hear one single on the radio (where they didn't pay and can record, which nullifies anything you just said) that is ok. They buy the album, hate it. Band A and the label makes money. Customer got screwed, but whatever, people were paid for their work.
Band B rocks. People hear one single, download the rest, check it out, love it, buy it, everyone is happy. Sure, some people don't buy it, but they weren't going to anyway. Nobody gets screwed.
If a band sucks, they don't deserve people to pay for their songs, I don't give a damn how much work anyone put into anything. People have a right to know.
If I hear something that is good, I go buy it. Most people do. This is why Eminem, AC/DC, Metallica, all the way to Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and other artists don't have any trouble selling albums. If there were no platinum albums because of the big bad pirates on the internet, then your argument would hold water. Legally, we can get the music anyway (radio, other venues) so making it easier to make up your mind on whether or not something is worth buying isn't theft, it's smart shopping.
Paying for what the band does just because they were on credit and not already millionaires is a moot point. If they suck, they don't deserve my money. Thank the Lord that I get to make my mind up before buying, and everyone else does, too.
Tell you what, how about I help myself to your bank account.
You can pay $10 a month for Napster and preview any tune you want. You can download it to an MP3 player. You can burn it to a CD (pay per tune) but at least you are paying for a service. If studios didn't produce musicians then it would be pretty damn hard "record" a single off a radio.The customer is not getting "screwed" because a song sucks. FYI the band doesn't make any money until the record label does. I can't stand people like you with your stupid sense of self entitlement. That is the problem with this society in general, everyone thinks they are entitled to something. What you are saying is the same thing the junkie on welfare is saying. The mother with 42 kids that feels like she is entitled to the hard earned tax dollars you put in your self. Essentially, by your philosophy, you should be ok with that. You should be ok supporting people like your self that don't see it as such a "big deal" to pilfer here and steal a song or two there. I have put a lot of time into my studio and recorded a lot of hard working musicians who I am sure would love to differ with you on this, but hey, you probably wouldn't get it any way.
God forbid you steal a tune from my studio. You would be earning your self an *** whooping like you wouldn't believe.
You can pay $10 a month for Napster and preview any tune you want. You can download it to an MP3 player. You can burn it to a CD (pay per tune) but at least you are paying for a service. If studios didn't produce musicians then it would be pretty damn hard "record" a single off a radio.The customer is not getting "screwed" because a song sucks. FYI the band doesn't make any money until the record label does. I can't stand people like you with your stupid sense of self entitlement. That is the problem with this society in general, everyone thinks they are entitled to something. What you are saying is the same thing the junkie on welfare is saying. The mother with 42 kids that feels like she is entitled to the hard earned tax dollars you put in your self. Essentially, by your philosophy, you should be ok with that. You should be ok supporting people like your self that don't see it as such a "big deal" to pilfer here and steal a song or two there. I have put a lot of time into my studio and recorded a lot of hard working musicians who I am sure would love to differ with you on this, but hey, you probably wouldn't get it any way.
God forbid you steal a tune from my studio. You would be earning your self an *** whooping like you wouldn't believe.
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Joined: Apr 2000
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From: Hollywood, CA
Tell you what, how about I help myself to your bank account.
You can pay $10 a month for Napster and preview any tune you want. You can download it to an MP3 player. You can burn it to a CD (pay per tune) but at least you are paying for a service. If studios didn't produce musicians then it would be pretty damn hard "record" a single off a radio.The customer is not getting "screwed" because a song sucks. FYI the band doesn't make any money until the record label does. I can't stand people like you with your stupid sense of self entitlement. That is the problem with this society in general, everyone thinks they are entitled to something. What you are saying is the same thing the junkie on welfare is saying. The mother with 42 kids that feels like she is entitled to the hard earned tax dollars you put in your self. Essentially, by your philosophy, you should be ok with that. You should be ok supporting people like your self that don't see it as such a "big deal" to pilfer here and steal a song or two there. I have put a lot of time into my studio and recorded a lot of hard working musicians who I am sure would love to differ with you on this, but hey, you probably wouldn't get it any way.
God forbid you steal a tune from my studio. You would be earning your self an *** whooping like you wouldn't believe.
You can pay $10 a month for Napster and preview any tune you want. You can download it to an MP3 player. You can burn it to a CD (pay per tune) but at least you are paying for a service. If studios didn't produce musicians then it would be pretty damn hard "record" a single off a radio.The customer is not getting "screwed" because a song sucks. FYI the band doesn't make any money until the record label does. I can't stand people like you with your stupid sense of self entitlement. That is the problem with this society in general, everyone thinks they are entitled to something. What you are saying is the same thing the junkie on welfare is saying. The mother with 42 kids that feels like she is entitled to the hard earned tax dollars you put in your self. Essentially, by your philosophy, you should be ok with that. You should be ok supporting people like your self that don't see it as such a "big deal" to pilfer here and steal a song or two there. I have put a lot of time into my studio and recorded a lot of hard working musicians who I am sure would love to differ with you on this, but hey, you probably wouldn't get it any way.
God forbid you steal a tune from my studio. You would be earning your self an *** whooping like you wouldn't believe.
No, it is not the same as someone on welfare, because they aren't selling me something that turns out to be crap after I payed my money for it, whether it was misrepresented or not.
Case in point: Sugar Ray. Singles released like "Every Morning" and "I Juust Wanna Fly". Buy the record because you like that style of music, and you end up with those two songs and a lot of speed metal. If you didn't want speed metal, you wasted your money. Had you heard the record before and didn't like it, you wouldn't have bought it and damn well shouldn't have. A lot of work went into that album? Oh well, maybe you should have made it better.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said if it is good I will buy it to support the band? Maybe you should read before being a greddy **** about things.
Yet another case in point: Radiohead. They had their online album, and you know what? It sold. They weren't ropesuckers about it, they released an album for free and told fans to pay them what it was worth. They made money.
Yeah, get off your high horse, if it sucks, whoever worked on it doesn't deserve to get money from it, no ifs ands or buts. Some people may like it, those people will pay. People should know if it is worth paying for before they buy it.
According to your logic, we should never get to test drive vehicles, we should blindly follow advertisements and never question anything or try to find out if anything is any good before we just pay for it.
Please let me have half a chance to get a tune from your studio. I will rip it, get it to as many people as I can and let them decide for themselves. If it sucks, you're damn right they shouldn't buy it. If it doesn't, then people will buy it. I would say God forbid you try to rip my money off for some sub-standard crap just because you feel like you worked hard on it and it would earn you an ***-whooping, but I don't fight anymore. I am too old for that. When people try to pay me my ***-whoopings, I just shoot them. Oh, and I tried out the gun I bought and asked opinions about it before I bought it. And I test drove my truck before I bought it. I didn't pay 10 dollars a month to test drive any vehicle I want all month long or to test fire weapons before I bought them. See how silly that sounds when put into another context?
Bottom line is if you make music and it sucks, you don't deserve crap from it, and being a musician who has played with thousands of other musicians and knows and loves my music, I will make damn sure that nobody gets ripped off if I can help it.
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From: spring, texas
Right.........
You can't stand people like me? Boo freaking hoo. My recording studio and some of the people who have recorded there would differ with you, because greedy *******s don't record here. Out of the thousands of tracks that I have recorded, I have not charged a single person for one of them. You know why? Because I do it for the music, not because I am trying to rip the money out of someone's pocket.
No, it is not the same as someone on welfare, because they aren't selling me something that turns out to be crap after I payed my money for it, whether it was misrepresented or not.
No, it is not the same as someone on welfare, because they aren't selling me something that turns out to be crap after I payed my money for it, whether it was misrepresented or not.
Case in point: Sugar Ray. Singles released like "Every Morning" and "I Juust Wanna Fly". Buy the record because you like that style of music, and you end up with those two songs and a lot of speed metal. If you didn't want speed metal, you wasted your money. Had you heard the record before and didn't like it, you wouldn't have bought it and damn well shouldn't have. A lot of work went into that album? Oh well, maybe you should have made it better.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said if it is good I will buy it to support the band? Maybe you should read before being a greddy **** about things.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said if it is good I will buy it to support the band? Maybe you should read before being a greddy **** about things.
Yet another case in point: Radiohead. They had their online album, and you know what? It sold. They weren't ropesuckers about it, they released an album for free and told fans to pay them what it was worth. They made money.
Yeah, get off your high horse, if it sucks, whoever worked on it doesn't deserve to get money from it, no ifs ands or buts. Some people may like it, those people will pay. People should know if it is worth paying for before they buy it.
Yeah, get off your high horse, if it sucks, whoever worked on it doesn't deserve to get money from it, no ifs ands or buts. Some people may like it, those people will pay. People should know if it is worth paying for before they buy it.
Ummmmmmmmm, no. Perhaps you should invest in hooked on phonics before proceeding with another uneducated reply. Case in point, my NAPSTER recommendation Mr. Dumas.
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From: spring, texas
Continuing the rant here....
Please let me have half a chance to get a tune from your studio. I will rip it, get it to as many people as I can and let them decide for themselves. If it sucks, you're damn right they shouldn't buy it. If it doesn't, then people will buy it. I would say God forbid you try to rip my money off for some sub-standard crap just because you feel like you worked hard on it and it would earn you an ***-whooping, but I don't fight anymore. I am too old for that. When people try to pay me my ***-whoopings, I just shoot them. Oh, and I tried out the gun I bought and asked opinions about it before I bought it. And I test drove my truck before I bought it. I didn't pay 10 dollars a month to test drive any vehicle I want all month long or to test fire weapons before I bought them. See how silly that sounds when put into another context?
The point I would like to bring to light is that character is what you do when no one is looking. Words like character, impeccability and perhaps even honesty do not seem to exist in your vocabulary. Your previous reply has proven this over and by publicly admitting that you would stab your fellow musicians in the back and your paradigm furthers this point even more.
I apologize about the ***-whoopin comment and I recant it. It was immature and a six pack too late LOL. I invite you to substantiate your claims with facts and keep in mind that I too have several quality firearms I am sure I can "reach out and touch you with" if you know what I mean....
You sir, have a nice day.
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Joined: Nov 2006
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From: spring, texas
P.s.
I have a degree in Music Education.
I play and teach:
Violin
Viola
Guitar
I can also play:
piano
drums
all percussion instruments
cello
double bass
bass guitar
Just so you know. You can also check out the band Farewell Nostalgia on Myspace. You can see some early pictures of the studio before we renovated as well as pics of the band. Please feel free to rip all the music you want from that page (recorded in the studio and placed on myspace but it is internet broadcast quality). In fact I will even send you a copy FOR FREE!
As musicians we should learn to see eye to eye on this stuff. I agree with you that I don't want to pay for suck music and I won't. But there is a level of respect in the industry that seems to have been buried in this digital age and while we all enjoy music to some degree we should recognize the hard work and talent that lie behind the scenes.
I am done.
I play and teach:
Violin
Viola
Guitar
I can also play:
piano
drums
all percussion instruments
cello
double bass
bass guitar
Just so you know. You can also check out the band Farewell Nostalgia on Myspace. You can see some early pictures of the studio before we renovated as well as pics of the band. Please feel free to rip all the music you want from that page (recorded in the studio and placed on myspace but it is internet broadcast quality). In fact I will even send you a copy FOR FREE!
As musicians we should learn to see eye to eye on this stuff. I agree with you that I don't want to pay for suck music and I won't. But there is a level of respect in the industry that seems to have been buried in this digital age and while we all enjoy music to some degree we should recognize the hard work and talent that lie behind the scenes.
I am done.
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From: Eastern TN
You can't stand people like me? Boo freaking hoo. My recording studio and some of the people who have recorded there would differ with you, because greedy *******s don't record here. Out of the thousands of tracks that I have recorded, I have not charged a single person for one of them. You know why? Because I do it for the music, not because I am trying to rip the money out of someone's pocket.
No, it is not the same as someone on welfare, because they aren't selling me something that turns out to be crap after I payed my money for it, whether it was misrepresented or not.
Case in point: Sugar Ray. Singles released like "Every Morning" and "I Juust Wanna Fly". Buy the record because you like that style of music, and you end up with those two songs and a lot of speed metal. If you didn't want speed metal, you wasted your money. Had you heard the record before and didn't like it, you wouldn't have bought it and damn well shouldn't have. A lot of work went into that album? Oh well, maybe you should have made it better.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said if it is good I will buy it to support the band? Maybe you should read before being a greddy **** about things.
Yet another case in point: Radiohead. They had their online album, and you know what? It sold. They weren't ropesuckers about it, they released an album for free and told fans to pay them what it was worth. They made money.
Yeah, get off your high horse, if it sucks, whoever worked on it doesn't deserve to get money from it, no ifs ands or buts. Some people may like it, those people will pay. People should know if it is worth paying for before they buy it.
According to your logic, we should never get to test drive vehicles, we should blindly follow advertisements and never question anything or try to find out if anything is any good before we just pay for it.
Please let me have half a chance to get a tune from your studio. I will rip it, get it to as many people as I can and let them decide for themselves. If it sucks, you're damn right they shouldn't buy it. If it doesn't, then people will buy it. I would say God forbid you try to rip my money off for some sub-standard crap just because you feel like you worked hard on it and it would earn you an ***-whooping, but I don't fight anymore. I am too old for that. When people try to pay me my ***-whoopings, I just shoot them. Oh, and I tried out the gun I bought and asked opinions about it before I bought it. And I test drove my truck before I bought it. I didn't pay 10 dollars a month to test drive any vehicle I want all month long or to test fire weapons before I bought them. See how silly that sounds when put into another context?
Bottom line is if you make music and it sucks, you don't deserve crap from it, and being a musician who has played with thousands of other musicians and knows and loves my music, I will make damn sure that nobody gets ripped off if I can help it.
No, it is not the same as someone on welfare, because they aren't selling me something that turns out to be crap after I payed my money for it, whether it was misrepresented or not.
Case in point: Sugar Ray. Singles released like "Every Morning" and "I Juust Wanna Fly". Buy the record because you like that style of music, and you end up with those two songs and a lot of speed metal. If you didn't want speed metal, you wasted your money. Had you heard the record before and didn't like it, you wouldn't have bought it and damn well shouldn't have. A lot of work went into that album? Oh well, maybe you should have made it better.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said if it is good I will buy it to support the band? Maybe you should read before being a greddy **** about things.
Yet another case in point: Radiohead. They had their online album, and you know what? It sold. They weren't ropesuckers about it, they released an album for free and told fans to pay them what it was worth. They made money.
Yeah, get off your high horse, if it sucks, whoever worked on it doesn't deserve to get money from it, no ifs ands or buts. Some people may like it, those people will pay. People should know if it is worth paying for before they buy it.
According to your logic, we should never get to test drive vehicles, we should blindly follow advertisements and never question anything or try to find out if anything is any good before we just pay for it.
Please let me have half a chance to get a tune from your studio. I will rip it, get it to as many people as I can and let them decide for themselves. If it sucks, you're damn right they shouldn't buy it. If it doesn't, then people will buy it. I would say God forbid you try to rip my money off for some sub-standard crap just because you feel like you worked hard on it and it would earn you an ***-whooping, but I don't fight anymore. I am too old for that. When people try to pay me my ***-whoopings, I just shoot them. Oh, and I tried out the gun I bought and asked opinions about it before I bought it. And I test drove my truck before I bought it. I didn't pay 10 dollars a month to test drive any vehicle I want all month long or to test fire weapons before I bought them. See how silly that sounds when put into another context?
Bottom line is if you make music and it sucks, you don't deserve crap from it, and being a musician who has played with thousands of other musicians and knows and loves my music, I will make damn sure that nobody gets ripped off if I can help it.
Millions of people today have THOUSANDS of songs they have "ripped" from all kinds of sources that they did not pay for and have absolutely no intention of paying for. When pirating software became "OK" because of ease, music was sure to follow...
By the way, just because you don't agree with the LAW doesn't mean it is right or just for you to ignore it. If you rip / download illegally, you are a thief - plain and simple.
It isn't up to you to "protect" everyone from "bad music". Who are you to judge ? I might happen to like something you don't. Do you think you are some kind of super powerful music god who judges and decides who should be paid for what ?
If you go to a movie and don't think it was great, do you go to the box office and demand a refund ?
Do you think if a lawyer spends 500 hours making a defense for you and you lose the case that he isn't going to bill you for his time ?
You are a tool.... (and a thief)