lst grader shoots lst grader
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lst grader shoots lst grader
Just heard on news that a lst grader (boy) in Michigan shot a lst grader (girl) fatally in school. How does a lst grader get a gun? Some adult, probably one of his parents, should burn for allowing this kid to get a gun. A 7 year old should never even see a gun around his house. Of course, the liberals (Demecrats) will once again try to make all responsible gun owners pay for this.
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One of the most disgustings things I have heard in some time.It's absolutely amazing that anyone can allow a child access to a gun.I agree,burn the parents...
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I just heard about this...
My wife teaches first grade and I can't even begin to understand what is going on with our kids and society today!
Clinton and the anti-gun faction will try to make the most of this.
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My wife teaches first grade and I can't even begin to understand what is going on with our kids and society today!
Clinton and the anti-gun faction will try to make the most of this.
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Or they will start installing metal detectors in preschools, kindergartens (cant spell), and 1st grade classes all across the country. Sad
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I hate to say it...but I hope the kids parents are seriously punished and taken to court for this. Parents should be held accountable for this type of stuff...not gun owners or the firearms industry.
PARENTS...ARE YOUR GUNS/AMMO LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW?
SAD...SAD....SAD....
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PARENTS...ARE YOUR GUNS/AMMO LOCKED UP RIGHT NOW?
SAD...SAD....SAD....
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I just wanted to publicly thank my parents for never letting me play with toy guns. And for getting rid of my dad's REAL gun before I could do something.
I wish parents would stop buying those stu**d toy guns for their children and start teaching them on the dangers. What do you think that kid thought when he saw that gun "TOY". Anyway those parents should get shot in the knees by their own child, I bet it would make them think about having a gun in the reach of a child. Seeing their own kid aiming and shooting a gun at them...
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I wish parents would stop buying those stu**d toy guns for their children and start teaching them on the dangers. What do you think that kid thought when he saw that gun "TOY". Anyway those parents should get shot in the knees by their own child, I bet it would make them think about having a gun in the reach of a child. Seeing their own kid aiming and shooting a gun at them...
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Man, I have a first grader and a fourth grader. Dam near brought a tear to my 40 yr old big azz. I hate this kind of stupidity. Absolutely disgusting...................
Rick.
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>>>>The agency I work for recently bought and supplied all the officers in the department with a trigger lock for our service weapons. Anyone with a weapon in the house that is not secured in a childproof gunsafe should invest in one of these. They prevent the trigger from being pulled. Loaded or not the weapon can't be fired if the trigger guard is properly installed.
>>>>If it is proved that the gun came from the child's home and belonged to one of the parents they will more than likely be brought up on charges. In Virginia that is definitely an arrestable offense and liability to the parents if they made no effort to safeguard their weapons from their children. This is truly a sad, sad, time when gradeschool children are killing gradeschool children. Whatever happened to fighting in the schoolyard to settle disputes.
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>>>>If it is proved that the gun came from the child's home and belonged to one of the parents they will more than likely be brought up on charges. In Virginia that is definitely an arrestable offense and liability to the parents if they made no effort to safeguard their weapons from their children. This is truly a sad, sad, time when gradeschool children are killing gradeschool children. Whatever happened to fighting in the schoolyard to settle disputes.
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I have never understood why a person would want a gun in their home UNLESS they used it for hunting, competition or law enforcement. From what I've read, most guns that are purchased for personal protection usually end up making a victim of the of the person(s) it was meant to protect.
I remember a cap gun in our house when I was a little guy, it was broken. I saw a gun in my father's drawer once, it looked just like the cap gun, since the cap gun dissappeared, I thought the real gun was the cap gun. That gun still sits in my fathers drawer today, never been maintain, the ammo is still in the next drawer. He doesn't have the strength to use it now, we have tried to get him to get rid of it, a call to the local police, they would pick it up. If you remember the problem that Barry Switzer had, he left his gun where his grandchildren could get to it, so he moved it, it only cost him $75000 and his job, but he still has the grandchildren.
I believe with guns and cars, to hold any type of permit, you should periodically take a written and practical test. By doing this, you get refreshed on the legal and common sense rules, along with sharpening your skill, and as with your vehicle, get the weapon inspected by a professional.
Once again stupidity and ignorance is still the law of the land.
I remember a cap gun in our house when I was a little guy, it was broken. I saw a gun in my father's drawer once, it looked just like the cap gun, since the cap gun dissappeared, I thought the real gun was the cap gun. That gun still sits in my fathers drawer today, never been maintain, the ammo is still in the next drawer. He doesn't have the strength to use it now, we have tried to get him to get rid of it, a call to the local police, they would pick it up. If you remember the problem that Barry Switzer had, he left his gun where his grandchildren could get to it, so he moved it, it only cost him $75000 and his job, but he still has the grandchildren.
I believe with guns and cars, to hold any type of permit, you should periodically take a written and practical test. By doing this, you get refreshed on the legal and common sense rules, along with sharpening your skill, and as with your vehicle, get the weapon inspected by a professional.
Once again stupidity and ignorance is still the law of the land.
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mtknee,
We could debate for days about firearms and why a firearm is VERY useful in the home..but I will keep it brief since this board is really about F-150 trucks...
*You said..."From what I've read, most guns that are purchased for personal protection usually end up making a victim of the of the person(s) it was meant to protect. "
****This is the typical line being given out by anti-gun groups and posted on their web pages. This is farther from the truth than you know! My dad always had a firearm in the house since I was a kid, I grew up shooting, and I own many weapons now. I have never had a single problem..in the 20 years I have been shooting. No one that I grew up with or anyone that I know has ever been in trouble..and they all had firearms in the house and still do. THE PROBLEM TODAY IS THAT PARENTS ARE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS OR KIDS. TV NEWS sensationalizes acts of gun violence..so kids and the *NUT* bags think this is cool and try to "go out" with the world watching. It is not the guns!! We already have the N.I.C.S. system, waiting periods, and background checks for permits..and another 20,000 plus gun laws on the books. How much more do we really need beyond COMMON SENSE?
Your point...."I believe with guns and cars, to hold any type of permit, you should periodically take a written and practical test.."
***** I respect your point..and this would be good for some people who 'leave them in their sock drawers for years'..but just HOW and why would you test someone who shoots 3-4 times (or more) per month at the range and competition shooting, and/or who has had a CCW permit for many years? I would say, if you can somehow demonstrate reasonable knowledge, a simple booklet with the laws/rules and any changes should be provided at no cost. I can read and would take offense to being forced in taking a written and practical test every couple of years. It should be offered to the public, not forced. I don't need or will be tested.
What if you *are* that professional or expert? Why should Law Enforcement have the right to keep a weapon in the house and not that expert? I probably have much greater knowledge, training and experience than most officers..and even Police Officers have gone off the deep end once in a while. Having a 'badge' does NOT make you a better shooter OR firearm expert..you *DO* (or should) know the law better...that's all. Police Officers do not deserve any 'special' privilege over a law-abiding citizen. They have a job...that's all. If I can't have firearms in my house...then these guys/gals should be forced to leave their weapons at the station and pick them up at the start of their shift, drop them off when they go home. Use a baseball bat then like the rest of us. The 'Bobbys' (police)in England *don't* carry firearms.
Anyway mtknee you did bring up a good discussion. I am NOT a member of the NRA..so please don't think I am on the other side of the spectrum. I use something called common sense with all of my years of training and seem to be doing just fine. I use to hunt all of the time when I was younger, but was not able to while serving in the ARMY(plenty of time at the range on and off duty)....and I don't hunt right now. Should *I* be forced to give up my weapons and my rights?
-----> The answer is <NO>!
We have a *RIGHT* to keep our weapons as good citizens..to hunt, self protection, or to just oil and clean everyday if we want to. Gun ownership is *NOT* just a PRIVILEGE....like driving these awesome F-150 trucks!!!!!!! Cars are one thing, firearms are another. This 'concept' of disarmament is being rammed down our throats and eventually....only "criminals" by law will have guns.
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We could debate for days about firearms and why a firearm is VERY useful in the home..but I will keep it brief since this board is really about F-150 trucks...
*You said..."From what I've read, most guns that are purchased for personal protection usually end up making a victim of the of the person(s) it was meant to protect. "
****This is the typical line being given out by anti-gun groups and posted on their web pages. This is farther from the truth than you know! My dad always had a firearm in the house since I was a kid, I grew up shooting, and I own many weapons now. I have never had a single problem..in the 20 years I have been shooting. No one that I grew up with or anyone that I know has ever been in trouble..and they all had firearms in the house and still do. THE PROBLEM TODAY IS THAT PARENTS ARE NOT BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS OR KIDS. TV NEWS sensationalizes acts of gun violence..so kids and the *NUT* bags think this is cool and try to "go out" with the world watching. It is not the guns!! We already have the N.I.C.S. system, waiting periods, and background checks for permits..and another 20,000 plus gun laws on the books. How much more do we really need beyond COMMON SENSE?
Your point...."I believe with guns and cars, to hold any type of permit, you should periodically take a written and practical test.."
***** I respect your point..and this would be good for some people who 'leave them in their sock drawers for years'..but just HOW and why would you test someone who shoots 3-4 times (or more) per month at the range and competition shooting, and/or who has had a CCW permit for many years? I would say, if you can somehow demonstrate reasonable knowledge, a simple booklet with the laws/rules and any changes should be provided at no cost. I can read and would take offense to being forced in taking a written and practical test every couple of years. It should be offered to the public, not forced. I don't need or will be tested.
What if you *are* that professional or expert? Why should Law Enforcement have the right to keep a weapon in the house and not that expert? I probably have much greater knowledge, training and experience than most officers..and even Police Officers have gone off the deep end once in a while. Having a 'badge' does NOT make you a better shooter OR firearm expert..you *DO* (or should) know the law better...that's all. Police Officers do not deserve any 'special' privilege over a law-abiding citizen. They have a job...that's all. If I can't have firearms in my house...then these guys/gals should be forced to leave their weapons at the station and pick them up at the start of their shift, drop them off when they go home. Use a baseball bat then like the rest of us. The 'Bobbys' (police)in England *don't* carry firearms.
Anyway mtknee you did bring up a good discussion. I am NOT a member of the NRA..so please don't think I am on the other side of the spectrum. I use something called common sense with all of my years of training and seem to be doing just fine. I use to hunt all of the time when I was younger, but was not able to while serving in the ARMY(plenty of time at the range on and off duty)....and I don't hunt right now. Should *I* be forced to give up my weapons and my rights?
-----> The answer is <NO>!
We have a *RIGHT* to keep our weapons as good citizens..to hunt, self protection, or to just oil and clean everyday if we want to. Gun ownership is *NOT* just a PRIVILEGE....like driving these awesome F-150 trucks!!!!!!! Cars are one thing, firearms are another. This 'concept' of disarmament is being rammed down our throats and eventually....only "criminals" by law will have guns.
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I have 2 small children in our home and I could never imagine my kids playing with guns. I have several guns in my house and they are kept under lock and key. The kids know that they are not toys and that anytime that I have them out, whether for hunting or cleaning, they know that they are not allowed to touch or play with them. We are pretty strict with the kids with their toy guns. They know that they are not allowed to point them at anyone. I think that the parents are responsible for the actions of their children in this type of an incident....
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I agree with Dustoff 100%...
Just one note on the shooting, though. I heard this morning on the radio that the father and grandfather of the kid that shot the little girl are/were in prison on gun-related charges and that the gun that was used was reported stolen in December. Talk about setting a bad example for your child...
Just one note on the shooting, though. I heard this morning on the radio that the father and grandfather of the kid that shot the little girl are/were in prison on gun-related charges and that the gun that was used was reported stolen in December. Talk about setting a bad example for your child...