Ask an old time Cop (Of the former persuasion)
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From: Trixters-Playground
I have lived in Tulsa/OKC for 28 years, and I have learned the hard way this does not only apply to Oklahoma.
The thing you have to remember is your attitude directly affects the way you will be treated.
You may get a ticket, you may get a warning. You may get arrested, you may not. If you get arrested, you may be sitting on cuffs in the back seat, or you may be only seatbelted in the front seat.
Remember, cops are people too, and if you do not respect them, they most likely won't have any respect for you. It is your choice.
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Where we started.
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After a facelift.
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The thing you have to remember is your attitude directly affects the way you will be treated.
You may get a ticket, you may get a warning. You may get arrested, you may not. If you get arrested, you may be sitting on cuffs in the back seat, or you may be only seatbelted in the front seat.
Remember, cops are people too, and if you do not respect them, they most likely won't have any respect for you. It is your choice.
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'98 4.6 5-sp F-150
We've come for your Tundra.
Where we started.
http://www.mcmullenargus.com/gallery...ge=1165&pub=12
After a facelift.
http://www.zing.com/picture/ff/e9/b5...d.jpg.orig.jpg
trixters-playground@excite.com
www.truckinweb.com
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Derek-
Don't forget that lion hearted fellow on the Tulsa police force, a couple of years ago, who ran out of the bank while it was being robbed. THEN he had the ***** to fight his dismissal!! Then there was the Ottawa County sheriff, as well as the sheriffs of Marshall and Choctaw Counties who were sent to the federal pen for racketeering. I nearly forgot the Tulsa County sheriff's deputy who, a few years back, shot a motorist in a fit of road rage (he was off duty) out near Sapulpa or Bixby. One thing I've noticed about these clowns, whenever you have any contact with them, they seem to be VERY confrontational with their language and actions. It's like they want to provoke you into doing something to justify an arrest. A few years back, the OCPD was issuing quotas (the F.O.P. was going to protest it, but I never heard the outcome) for its officers. They were required to make so many traffic stops a month, so many misdemeanor arrests, and so many felony arrests. I really despise them, and again, I'm ONLY bad mouthing Oklahoma.
Don't forget that lion hearted fellow on the Tulsa police force, a couple of years ago, who ran out of the bank while it was being robbed. THEN he had the ***** to fight his dismissal!! Then there was the Ottawa County sheriff, as well as the sheriffs of Marshall and Choctaw Counties who were sent to the federal pen for racketeering. I nearly forgot the Tulsa County sheriff's deputy who, a few years back, shot a motorist in a fit of road rage (he was off duty) out near Sapulpa or Bixby. One thing I've noticed about these clowns, whenever you have any contact with them, they seem to be VERY confrontational with their language and actions. It's like they want to provoke you into doing something to justify an arrest. A few years back, the OCPD was issuing quotas (the F.O.P. was going to protest it, but I never heard the outcome) for its officers. They were required to make so many traffic stops a month, so many misdemeanor arrests, and so many felony arrests. I really despise them, and again, I'm ONLY bad mouthing Oklahoma.
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Ford Man:
May have to take this in sections as it is long and AOL still kicks me off once in a while.
To get away from OK for a moment:
Miranda is interesting to me. It's basic purpose seems to be to keep innocent people from being tricked into incriminating themselves, and guilty people from the same fate.
I only have my own experience to draw from, but let me state first, I never saw innocent or guilty people interrogated in a "physical" way. SDPD was physical in the field, but not usually in the station house.
I did see and participate in the classic "good cop-bad cop" method of interrogation and it worked quite well. Usually, we pretty much knew the suspect was guilty of some or all of what he/she was in for, so there was no real reason for violence, just a little cleverness.
On that subject, in two years in the business, I do not recall meeting more than a half dozen intelligent criminal types. Lot of jailhouse lawyers, but not very smart.
I mentioned my luck with car thieves. My method was dead simple. First question I asked of someone I really thought had stolen the car was more or less, "Why did you steal this particular car?" The answers were incredible, as they did not expect that sort of question. "Keys were in it", "Engine was running", "looked fast" and so on. Just tumbled out.
To return to Miranda for a moment, remember that this law is Post Facto, or after the suspect has been arrested. You can ask pretty much what you wish before an arrest is effected, and much of what happens after the arrest can depend on the original "what's going on here?" type of questions.
As to Parker and the LAPD, they were everyone's idol in California. Only the CHP could touch his Department. To compare SDPD and LAPD is impossible. The only similarity I can recall is I believe our Chief and Parker both originated from Oklahoma and I am not making a joke.
I have some other comments, but AOL is giving me the thumbs down and I do not wish to lose this message. I'll come back later.
Bill
May have to take this in sections as it is long and AOL still kicks me off once in a while.
To get away from OK for a moment:
Miranda is interesting to me. It's basic purpose seems to be to keep innocent people from being tricked into incriminating themselves, and guilty people from the same fate.
I only have my own experience to draw from, but let me state first, I never saw innocent or guilty people interrogated in a "physical" way. SDPD was physical in the field, but not usually in the station house.
I did see and participate in the classic "good cop-bad cop" method of interrogation and it worked quite well. Usually, we pretty much knew the suspect was guilty of some or all of what he/she was in for, so there was no real reason for violence, just a little cleverness.
On that subject, in two years in the business, I do not recall meeting more than a half dozen intelligent criminal types. Lot of jailhouse lawyers, but not very smart.
I mentioned my luck with car thieves. My method was dead simple. First question I asked of someone I really thought had stolen the car was more or less, "Why did you steal this particular car?" The answers were incredible, as they did not expect that sort of question. "Keys were in it", "Engine was running", "looked fast" and so on. Just tumbled out.
To return to Miranda for a moment, remember that this law is Post Facto, or after the suspect has been arrested. You can ask pretty much what you wish before an arrest is effected, and much of what happens after the arrest can depend on the original "what's going on here?" type of questions.
As to Parker and the LAPD, they were everyone's idol in California. Only the CHP could touch his Department. To compare SDPD and LAPD is impossible. The only similarity I can recall is I believe our Chief and Parker both originated from Oklahoma and I am not making a joke.
I have some other comments, but AOL is giving me the thumbs down and I do not wish to lose this message. I'll come back later.
Bill
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From: SAN ANTONIO,TEXAS,USA
Bill,
Those nights sticks were nice, still have mine, still have my leather slapper (lead covered by leather) my first father-n-law gave me...Never used any of them, now we carry ASP..telescoping steel rod..never used it either.....Some carry pepper spray (12%) i think...I dont carry it because I told the dept to kiss my butt, I wasnt gonna get sprayed with it just to know it hurts and will take me out of action.I have been sprayed before..My theroy, they havent had to shoot me for me to know it will kill me...
Dave
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Those nights sticks were nice, still have mine, still have my leather slapper (lead covered by leather) my first father-n-law gave me...Never used any of them, now we carry ASP..telescoping steel rod..never used it either.....Some carry pepper spray (12%) i think...I dont carry it because I told the dept to kiss my butt, I wasnt gonna get sprayed with it just to know it hurts and will take me out of action.I have been sprayed before..My theroy, they havent had to shoot me for me to know it will kill me...
Dave
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1998 F-150, SC/Flairside,oxford white 4x2,4.6,auto,3.55s,nerf bars,cls 111 towing,bed liner w/mat,atlas polished wheels w/285/75 R/16 BFG A/Ts (black side out),all plastics guards/bug shields,air raid/k & n filter, superchipped, duals out the back corners, flow master 3 chamber, snug top lid, f-150 online sticker back window-honk if you see me!!! Fabtech 3 1/2 lift .coverking dash cover.
San Antonio
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From: Shangri-La
They're people too, EXCEPT in Oklahoma they're lower than scum. They're psychotic and borderline criminals. OKC just had a sergeant booted off the force for having sex with a prostitute on duty. Real upstanding citizen. There was also an OKC police sergeant, who happened to live in the small town where I used to reside, sent to the pen for embezzling from charities helping the OKC bombing. Nice fellow. OKC's PD spokesman is currently under criminal indictment (a captain, no less) for sexual battery. Real Sunday school teacher. I've been rousted out of my pickup for drug searches after being pulled over for speeding (and NO, I didn't say a word or make any gestures) and been accused of all kinds of crap and then it's like "Sorry, have a nice day!" I have NO respect for any Oklahoma law enforcement with the exception of state troopers. And don't get the idea that I'm some malcontent or trying to make a blanket generalization of law enforcement everywhere. The problem in Oklahoma is the extremely low pay for doing a dangerous, high risk job and they just let any damned jackass carry a sidearm and a badge. Like I said before, it'll be a cold day in hell before I lift a finger or lend a hand to these guys. Dave's a nice guy, and I in no way want to lump him in with the morons in Oklahoma.
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From: Shangri-La
WELL, BILL?!! I'm sitting on the VERY edge of my seat!! DON'T TEASE ME!! The incident that was the basis for Joseph Wanbaugh's "The Onion Field" occurred during your tenure as a peace officer, didn't it? Were those guys LAPD or SDPD? MORE COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS, PLEASE!! While I find Dave's stuff interesting, I find the things that took place during the pre-Miranda, civil rights, affirmative action days fascinating. I like to see what was different then as compared to now, the good, bad and indifferent.
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Ford man:
I appreciate your request for some input, but I have some other things I have to do tonight. Normally, I am out of my store on Sunday/Monday, and if you agree, I would like to put my response off for a day or so.
I am interested in your opinions and your thoughts. I hope like you, I have no axe to grind, but, as stated earlier, I do have some interesting experiences to relate.
I appreciate your request for some input, but I have some other things I have to do tonight. Normally, I am out of my store on Sunday/Monday, and if you agree, I would like to put my response off for a day or so.
I am interested in your opinions and your thoughts. I hope like you, I have no axe to grind, but, as stated earlier, I do have some interesting experiences to relate.
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From: Shangri-La
Okay, Bill, I'll TRY and be patient. My axe grinding is ONLY directed at OKLAHOMA law enforcement, with the exception of state troopers and OSBI. I've spent alot of time across the western and southwestern U.S., as well as a few midwestern, eastern and southern states and my bitterness is right in my backyard. It's like a little Brigadoon here.
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Ford man:
A quickie, Wambaugh was ex LAPD, 14 years on the force. I am sure he drew from that experience for several of his books. I'll have to look up again when he was an officer, but it could have been in my time.
As a postscript, on PBS last night coming home there was a long report on a rogue special service element in the LAPD that is just coming out and may result in up to hundreds of convictions being overturned.
Not William Parkers Department anymore seems like.
Bill
A quickie, Wambaugh was ex LAPD, 14 years on the force. I am sure he drew from that experience for several of his books. I'll have to look up again when he was an officer, but it could have been in my time.
As a postscript, on PBS last night coming home there was a long report on a rogue special service element in the LAPD that is just coming out and may result in up to hundreds of convictions being overturned.
Not William Parkers Department anymore seems like.
Bill