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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Screw-Me-05
I went to a dealership yesterday to possibly trade the truck in on a fusion but before i even mentioned what car i was interested in they swarmed me like sharks and i said im interested in trading in my truck and went through the motions with them and i asked what would you give me for my 05 with 32k miles(washed,waxed, interior done saturday all shined up lookin good) and they wanted to know what car i wanted and i said it depends on what you offer me and they came back with $9500 and of course kelly blue book was $13,900 and i owe $21,000 so i just laughed in his face and asked for my keys back and just left in disgust but he said if i can get you another thousand can we make a deal....... my wife said are you serious and got in the truck and we finally left after they held onto my keys for another halfhour. even in times like now i would think that anybody would make some sort of a deal and they proved to me once again why their called stealerships. friggin *** clows
Yep. If you would've traded your truck Screw, your name would have been "Screwed-Me-For-My-05". Keep the truck, dude. It's awesome. - Og
 
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
There's a lot of Fusions out there, and like most mid/small domestic cars, they don't hold their value particularly well. KBB for a well equipped 2008 Fusion SE is about $16K (assuming ~7500 miles and excellent condition), for whatever that's worth. At auctions, they go for $10-12K all day, ex-fleet/rental cars. You really expect them to go $19.5K for a car that there's no way in hell they can realistically resell at $19.5K just to break even? Or higher than that, to try to turn a profit?

Hell, the sales manager at the Jeep store knows that a new $19.5K Fusion can be had with an alphabet plan and/or some nifty haggling and/or an employee discount promotion at the Ford store, it'd be totally asinine for them to offer that or trade even for that.

I'm really starting to wonder about some of y'all here.
Realistically I wasn't expecting $19.5 for it, but I was making the point of why should I pay full retail price for theirs and they give me wholesale value on mine? The offer they gave me was still way too low, even if I took it at $12k, they could sell it all day long at $17k and make more money on it than they do on their new vehicles. They were looking for a steal, and I wasn't giving in.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BennyHanna
why should I pay full retail price for theirs and they give me wholesale value on mine? .
Maybe it was because they are a retail sales outlet, and they will have to sell yours wholesale?


Originally Posted by BennyHanna
they could sell it all day long at $17k and make more money on it than they do on their new vehicles. .
Very doubtful. If it is so easy to sell for $17,000, you should do it!


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They were looking for a steal
Yep.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Maybe it was because they are a retail sales outlet, and they will have to sell yours wholesale?




Very doubtful. If it is so easy to sell for $17,000, you should do it!


Yep.
1. why would they sell it wholesale? They sell used cars, and all of them are listed at retail, and in some cases even higher.
2. I could sell mine for $17k easily. I owe a little more than that, I was going to roll over some into the new loan. So selling privately isn't the best choice.
 
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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im not one to bring back old posts often, but i just got an offer at a dealer for $10,000 (and they were wanting $5,000 cash) as if, and thats on trade for an fx4 with 70,000mi (and me with 55k) its times like this that makes me just sit and think about ford, that vehicles worth every penny when you buy it, but not so much when you try to trade it in (yes i fully realize all brands are like this but im just doing a mini rant on the one im expieriencing it with right now)
 

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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I had the same thing happen to me in August; kbb had my '05 FX4 (19K miles at the time) at $15K for trade-in, and they tried to lowball me at around $8K. whipped out a printout of their website where they had an identical FX4 (2005), bone stock (I have $3500 in the DVD/Nav & linex), with 40K miles, and they were asking $26K for it. I waved the title in the dude's face (paid it off in June) & told him to get bent & laughed my way home. Guy called me for about 3 days solid trying to get me to change my mind until I had a lawyer friend send a C&D (Cease & Desist) letter to the GM. I wound up buying another car there back in October, but they caught all kinds of hell from me; I think in the end, they dropped about $6K off the price of the car I bought.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Guys, if you think your trucks are worth so much, Sell them yourselves! It's not the Dealerships fault the market is the way it is.

Dealerships have their own problems... 50% of them will probably be closed down over the next couple years... Literally!


 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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With the current incentives on the 2008 models, some up to $12,000 in Canada. This has also lowered the wholesale rate on the used vehicles. Wait untill the new year and the incentives are gone. The wholesale rates will rise but your vehicle is also a year older.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
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Guys, if you think your trucks are worth so much, Sell them yourselves! It's not the Dealerships fault the market is the way it is.

Dealerships have their own problems... 50% of them will probably be closed down over the next couple years... Literally!


firstly, i dont think , secondly how exactly would i sell it? im not gonna trust anyone with it to make payments while i hold the title - in which would be worthless if they quit paying and tear the truck all to heck......... and lastly i dont blame the dealers for the economy, i know they have problems by just looking at their "salesmen" 90% of the time, around my parts they almost always put on a "ive been in the buisness forever, i know what im talking about, and you dont" act thats almost sickening at times, when inside my head i heavily debate asking "did you learn all this before or after you quit school?" but anyway ill just keep on keepin on, its not hurting my feelings to hang onto my truck, its just irritating as sin when some nobody backed up by a conglomerate calls it all but junk...
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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firstly, i dont think , secondly how exactly would i sell it? im not gonna trust anyone with it to make payments while i hold the title - in which would be worthless if they quit paying and tear the truck all to heck......... and lastly i dont blame the dealers for the economy, i know they have problems by just looking at their "salesmen" 90% of the time, around my parts they almost always put on a "ive been in the buisness forever, i know what im talking about, and you dont" act thats almost sickening at times, when inside my head i heavily debate asking "did you learn all this before or after you quit school?" but anyway ill just keep on keepin on, its not hurting my feelings to hang onto my truck, its just irritating as sin when some nobody backed up by a conglomerate calls it all but junk...
It's not hard to sell. The buyer pays you the 20k or whatever, you give them the title and it's a done deal.

The buyer can get Loan themselves for the 20k from a Bank. They may need the VIN number of the truck for the bank, but that's about all.

The buyer's bank can even give them Cash to give to you. They don't care....

You go with the buyer to a bank, notorize the title, and you're on your way...

My buddy paid 32K in cash for a muscle car that I help him pick up. Got the money from his bank on a Home Equity Line of Credit... (of course those loans are a little harder to get these days.. )
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
It's not hard to sell. The buyer pays you the 20k or whatever, you give them the title and it's a done deal.

The buyer can get Loan themselves for the 20k from a Bank. They may need the VIN number of the truck for the bank, but that's about all.

The buyer's bank can even give them Cash to give to you. They don't care....

You go with the buyer to a bank, notorize the title, and you're on your way...

My buddy paid 32K in cash for a muscle car that I help him pick up. Got the money from his bank on a Home Equity Line of Credit... (of course those loans are a little harder to get these days.. )

Because thats WAAAAAAYYYY to easy. especially when it is so easy for folks to claim the dealer is trying to screw them.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 04:32 PM
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The used car market for Trucks and SUVs is still saturated at the moment, so the value of our trucks is low, even with low gas prices.

Add to the fact that the dealerships are throwing so many dealer and factory incentives on new Trucks/SUVs, and that only hurts you trading in your truck.

Remember that when they sell a new vehicle, they are getting a lot of factory help with money back, financing, incentives, etc. When they try to sell your used truck in this used car market, they get none of that.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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Jeez... You guys that think a dealer 'owes' you top dollar if you want to trade in are in a freaking dream world....

Of course they are going to low ball you and get the lowest amount of 'trade in' from you.. What the heck do you expect?? If you want a new vehicle every 3 years, then LEASE the thing... Don't BUY it... If the leasing 'rules' don't fit your lifestyle, then you have to buy and deal with it..... Quit crying about it....

As a rule (IMO), the only time you 'trade in' a vehicle is if it's worth less to you then the dealer is going to give you for it... Pretty simple...

If you have the title on a 3 yr old vehicle and you are wanting to trade it in for yet another new vehicle, then you are an idiot for wanting to trade in the first place or you have the bucks to blow on a new vehicle every 3 years... So deal with it....

When I buy a vehicle, I plan on keeping it for a LONG time.... It's an investment to me in time, not style, but if you want a new one every couple of years, then deal with the cost of that privilege..

If you want a new vehicle, then great! But don't bitch about what they are going to give you for trade on your USED 3 year old vehicle because in reality, it ain't worth **** and those are the rigs I buy and get a TON of use out of and drive them to the ground... Ha, Ha!

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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^^ amen

I'll keep this truck for a long time before I get out of college and buy another Ford. Probably a Mustang, we'll see.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hajii
I had the same thing happen to me in August; kbb had my '05 FX4 (19K miles at the time) at $15K for trade-in, and they tried to lowball me at around $8K. whipped out a printout of their website where they had an identical FX4 (2005), bone stock (I have $3500 in the DVD/Nav & linex), with 40K miles, and they were asking $26K for it. I waved the title in the dude's face (paid it off in June) & told him to get bent & laughed my way home. Guy called me for about 3 days solid trying to get me to change my mind until I had a lawyer friend send a C&D (Cease & Desist) letter to the GM. I wound up buying another car there back in October, but they caught all kinds of hell from me; I think in the end, they dropped about $6K off the price of the car I bought.
$26K is way high, but it's better to start high and work down to an agreeable number, than to start low and break even or worst yet lose your *** on the deal. More than likely, the dealer gave the previous owner the higher end of trade value on it, so that means they have to resell it at at least that to break even, but no one's in business to break even, they're in business to turn a profit, so naturally they're gonna go higher than whatever they gave the previous owner.

When you're trading a vehicle in and/or shopping for another one, it's simple, common sense math and economics at work here.
 
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