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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by referee54
Gotta disagree---"only elected because of the media" Come on, there were other factors,as well. Why did Ohio, Pa. Iowa, Indiana, and Virginia turn from Red to Blue? That's an inuslt to the Red voters who voted for Bush twice (at least) (and perhaps even Reagan) Why did the turn away from the party---saying "THE MEDIA" is much too simplistic.

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Folks were tired of the status quo.

Republicans had 8 years (Well, 6, folks started seeing the light in 2006 when they voted out many republican senators and representatives) with control of the senate, house, and whie house to get things straight, and they didn't do anything.

They felt McCain (Even though he had been a Maverick for much of his career) would eventually be Bush v3.0, and they didn't want that- so, they turned the wheel to blue.

I like McCain, I knew a lot about him for many years- I just didn't think he was the best choice.

No matter how many blacks (14% of the US population) voted for Obama (95%), Barack Obama could not win without convincing a great many whites he was the better choice.

Obama got 43% of the white vote- more than Clinton did (41%), More than Kerry did (42%), and more than Gore did (39%).

They said on CNN this morning, that the last democrat to get more of the white vote than Obama, was Jimmy Carter, who got 47%.

But, folks would try to have you believe it was the media, that was the main (only) reason Obama was elected...

Wasn't McCain covered in the media too?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
thats were you lost me. this statement is total bs and if you actually believe that your just as bad as those who you refer to. sure we can disagree about things but if someone post something like that i will look at them a little differantly when they post stuff in the future.
Sorry... That's just how I feel...

Ignorance (They're gonna take my gun), divisiveness (stupid liberals, dumbocrats), and hate (black = entitlement minded) is what I hear/read from most of the self-proclaimed republican/conservatists on this site, and on conservative talk radio.

Listening to the radio, reading these acidic-venemous posts for months, and seeing how McCain's own followers heckled him before and after the election- leads me to belive the real republicans have been compromised by some low-brow, low-class wannabees...

Look at the map, and where the red was concentrated, then still tell me I'm crazy...
 

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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Ignorance (They're gonna take my gun)
How is that Ignorance when dems have tried to do it before?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 07:39 PM
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How is that Ignorance when dems have tried to do it before?
Because it takes a lot to change the constitution. No one has been successful in doing it (2nd amendment) so far. I doubt anyone ever will have success in that area. Especially if they want to hold an elected office. The majority of the country would have to support such a change (for a senator or representative to vote for it), and then- maybe... maybe it'd be put to a vote.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 08:01 PM
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Even McCain wanted Obama to be President. Why else would he have chosen Palin for VP?
(I still think she looks good in boots!)
 

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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
The majority of the country would have to support such a change (for a senator or representative to vote for it), and then- maybe... maybe it'd be put to a vote.
You mean like the bailout?
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Because it takes a lot to change the constitution. No one has been successful in doing it (2nd amendment) so far. I doubt anyone ever will have success in that area. Especially if they want to hold an elected office. The majority of the country would have to support such a change (for a senator or representative to vote for it), and then- maybe... maybe it'd be put to a vote.

There are cities where handgun ownership is illegal already. Those cities have the highest crime rates in the US. They don't have to change the Constitution to take your guns away. You do remember the so called "Assault Weapon" ban of the early 90's. All they have to do is put judges on the Supreme Court that will uphold the legality of a ban. Liberal "legislation from the bench" is the legacy that Mr. Obama is likely to leave us, whether he screws anything else up or not. There are ways around the Constitution.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by birddog_61
You mean like the bailout?
Yes, like that- but, only in the case of the 2nd amendment. The bailout was not predefined (prohibited or guaranteed) by the constitution.

Nice try though.

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There are cities where handgun ownership is illegal already. Those cities have the highest crime rates in the US. They don't have to change the Constitution to take your guns away. You do remember the so called "Assault Weapon" ban of the early 90's. All they have to do is put judges on the Supreme Court that will uphold the legality of a ban. Liberal "legislation from the bench" is the legacy that Mr. Obama is likely to leave us, whether he screws anything else up or not. There are ways around the Constitution.
Yep, I knew New York had handgun laws, and so does Washington D.C. I think. I think that was a part of the Brady bill. I must admit, I don't keep up with gun legislation because what they do with the 2nd Amendment is not a major concern for me. I live in a good neighborhood, I have a small child, I don't hunt for sport or food, nor do I forsee the government storming my house to take away my civil liberties any time soon- so I don't need one.

Besides, if someone ever crashed my house looking to rob me, I doubt I could wake up, fight off the disorientation, find and unlock my gun and load it before they found and capped me. If it were handy enough to be useful, it'd mean my son could stumble upon it, and that's a chance I'm unwilling to take; especialy when you realize most people killed by guns in the home are either suicide victims (Who actually out-number murder victims in the USA), a spouse, a victim of an accidental discharge, or a child (or his or her friend) who was playing with a parent's gun. Not many "bad guys" are killed by the good guys.

While I see it's appeal to others, legislation involving the 2nd amendment doesn't mean a lot to me.

I don't own any guns... well, aside from these 22" guns under my shirt sleeves!

As for what Obama will do when he's in office- none of us "knows" what legacy he will leave behind...

I'm sure the folks who voted twice for Bush, didn't know he'd screw up as badly as he has.
 

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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:13 PM
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x2!
obama only was elected because of the media. screw making history, it would have happened when the time is right, not when the media thought the time was right.
You can never count out the media vote.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Yes, like that- but, only in the case of the 2nd amendment. The bailout was not predefined (prohibited or guaranteed) by the constitution.

Nice try though.
I was merely making the point that congress does not always do what the majority of people want.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by birddog_61
I was merely making the point that congress does not always do what the majority of people want.
Touche'

They did that to put a plug in the wall street wallet. I didn't like that either...
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Yes, like that- but, only in the case of the 2nd amendment. The bailout was not predefined (prohibited or guaranteed) by the constitution.

Nice try though.



Yep, I knew New York had handgun laws, and so does Washington D.C. I think. I think that was a part of the Brady bill. I must admit, I don't keep up with gun legislation because what they do with the 2nd Amendment is not a major concern for me. I live in a good neighborhood, I have a small child, I don't hunt for sport or food, nor do I forsee the government storming my house to take away my civil liberties any time soon- so I don't need one.

Besides, if someone ever crashed my house looking to rob me, I doubt I could wake up, fight off the disorientation, find and unlock my gun and load it before they found and capped me. If it were handy enough to be useful, it'd mean my son could stumble upon it, and that's a chance I'm unwilling to take; especialy when you realize most people killed by guns in the home are either suicide victims (Who actually out-number murder victims in the USA), a spouse, a victim of an accidental discharge, or a child (or his or her friend) who was playing with a parent's gun. Not many "bad guys" are killed by the good guys.

While I see it's appeal to others, legislation involving the 2nd amendment doesn't mean a lot to me.

I don't own any guns... well, aside from these 22" guns under my shirt sleeves!

As for what Obama will do when he's in office- none of us "knows" what legacy he will leave behind...

I'm sure the folks who voted twice for Bush, didn't know he'd screw up as badly as he has.


See bold above, your out of your mind saying the 2nd amendment does not mean "allot" to you!! When them 22" guns are under 6 feet of dirt from not protecting yourself vigilantly then what. Thats the biggest load of ***** i've heard today. I like BO to a point but he is new and must go through the break in period then we'll see.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Yep, I knew New York had handgun laws, and so does Washington D.C. I think. I think that was a part of the Brady bill. I must admit, I don't keep up with gun legislation because what they do with the 2nd Amendment is not a major concern for me. I live in a good neighborhood, I have a small child, I don't hunt for sport or food, nor do I forsee the government storming my house to take away my civil liberties any time soon- so I don't need one.

Besides, if someone ever crashed my house looking to rob me, I doubt I could wake up, fight off the disorientation, find and unlock my gun and load it before they found and capped me. If it were handy enough to be useful, it'd mean my son could stumble upon it, and that's a chance I'm unwilling to take; especialy when you realize most people killed by guns in the home are either suicide victims (Who actually out-number murder victims in the USA), a spouse, a victim of an accidental discharge, or a child (or his or her friend) who was playing with a parent's gun. Not many "bad guys" are killed by the good guys.

While I see it's appeal to others, legislation involving the 2nd amendment doesn't mean a lot to me.

I don't own any guns... well, aside from these 22" guns under my shirt sleeves!

As for what Obama will do when he's in office- none of us "knows" what legacy he will leave behind...

I'm sure the folks who voted twice for Bush, didn't know he'd screw up as badly as he has.

You benefit from the fact that criminals have to assume you have weapons in your home, whether you believe in having them or not. I doubt you have a sign in your yard announcing that yours is a weapons free home... Right?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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You benefit from the fact that criminals have to assume you have weapons in your home, whether you believe in having them or not. I doubt you have a sign in your yard announcing that yours is a weapons free home... Right?
Hey, I might not have a need for a gun, but I'm not stupid...

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See bold above, your out of your mind saying the 2nd amendment does not mean "allot" to you!! When them 22" guns are under 6 feet of dirt from not protecting yourself vigilantly then what. Thats the biggest load of ***** i've heard today. I like BO to a point but he is new and must go through the break in period then we'll see.
Buck, if four people crashed into your home at 3:37 AM, in a home-invasion style robbery (Which is the one that I fear most)- would you be able to wake up and get to your gun in time to defend yourself and your family?

I don't think so... Especially not that .50 cal you have...

Not unless you have a HUGE house, and sleep with your gun under your pillow.

Of course I want to defend my family, but with small kids in the house, we can't leave guns laying around.

If I were single, or it was just the wife and I, perhaps I'd consider it. But- I've gone this far without one, I think I can make it without one.
 

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Old Nov 7, 2008 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Hey, I might not have a need for a gun, but I'm not stupid...



Buck, if four people crashed into your home at 3:37 AM, in a home-invasion style robbery (Which is the one that I fear most)- would you be able to wake up and get to your gun in time to defend yourself and your family?

I don't think so... Especially not that .50 cal you have...

Not unless you have a HUGE house, and sleep with your gun under your pillow.

Of course I want to defend my family, but with small kids in the house, we can't leave guns laying around.

If I were single, or it was just the wife and I, perhaps I'd consider it. But- I've gone this far without one, I think I can make it without one.
My first line of defense is a my dog, he hears things a mile away. 2nd line is locked doors. 3rd is a loaded handgun kept upstairs where we sleep (kids have grown and moved on) I have always had a gun ready and with proper education with the kids they learn things fast, I have a lock on all other guns except the one i may need on day. I live in the middle of nowhere kinda out of sight out of mind but you are not totally safe anywhere and help will take longer than it will take me to shoot any somebitch that enters my home unannounced. While i understand your concern for your kids think on the other side of the spectrum for protection. Ask India, Pakistan, Israel they have nuclear weapons for a reason!.
 
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