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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wookie
You preach that we should accept everyone but when I do not accept a political figure based only on their voting record and political stance I suddenly am ignorant, divisive and hateful??

Methinks I see a double standard...

i am glad someone else finally noticed too.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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I didn't see Bighersh mention any name, he was speaking in general terms.
You are too quick to say he meant you.

There were posts here about the line of succession prior to inauguration and what do JFK and Obama have in common.
Who wouldn't lash out (generally) when such comments are made about a candidate you gladly voted for, and hoped would succeed for the good of the country?

I just considered the source and kept my mouth shut.

I voted for five republican candidates in a row.
As soon as I went 'D' I was branded a ignorant liberal, right here on good ole F-150online.

(truth is, when people call me names on the internet, I pull my hair and stomp my feet)
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
I didn't see Bighersh mention any name, he was speaking in general terms.
You are too quick to say he meant you.

There were posts here about the line of succession prior to inauguration and what do JFK and Obama have in common.
Who wouldn't lash out (generally) when such comments are made about a candidate you gladly voted for, and hoped would succeed for the good of the country?

I just considered the source and kept my mouth shut.

I voted for five republican candidates in a row.
As soon as I went 'D' I was branded a ignorant liberal, right here on good ole F-150online.

(truth is, when people call me names on the internet, I pull my hair and stomp my feet)
This was his second post that explained that if Obama would have lost it would have strictly been because of all the white people that couldn't vote for a black guy. Bigotry could be the only explanation.

Either he views a majority of white people being racist or he believes Obama is such a perfect "candidate" that bigotry could be the only reason that anyone would vote against him......

sad
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by efuehrin
This was his second post that explained that if Obama would have lost it would have strictly been because of all the white people that couldn't vote for a black guy. Bigotry could be the only explanation....
Well, that may be his opinion.

I think the leap is you wrapping yourself in it, modeling it around the room and expecting all of us to whistle.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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When talking about serious topics I don't post for the sake of "hey look at me"
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
I didn't see Bighersh mention any name, he was speaking in general terms.
You are too quick to say he meant you.
Directly no, but indirectly he did. He gave a list of states and insinuated that the residents of those states did not vote for Obama based on skin color. So in a way he did call people out. What he failed to do was realize that most of the places he mentioned are very conservative regions. Not conservative in the Democrat/Republican sense but in the beliefs of the people. The issues I mentioned are deal breakers for most of the population in these states, skin color be damned. In that sense I was insulted. I vote based on a person's past voting record and their position on the issues. In one survey there were 48 questions, I did not agree with one single position of Obamas. For the most part by personal views were 180 deg from his.

He also failed to take into account that Gore and Kerry lost these states by the same or greater margins. So when it was two white guys in the race the numbers were close to the same as when it was a black and white guy. It is not race but ideology. The people in these areas simply do not agree with many of the ideas of the last three Democrat nominees. That is why all three lost these areas by wide margins.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Wookie
He also failed to take into account that Gore and Kerry lost these states by the same or greater margins. So when it was two white guys in the race the numbers were close to the same as when it was a black and white guy. It is not race but ideology.
Good point.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
Funny how all the redneck states voted for McCain. Just a little something I picked up on last night

Virginia didn't.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
If you look at stats, yes. The more education you have the more Blue you generally are.
Until you start making huge money because of your education, then you see that the blue will take it away and give it to people who didn't work for it. If you stay blue after that, you don't deserve your money in the first place.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
Funny how all the redneck states voted for McCain. Just a little something I picked up on last night

If you break it down across the entire USA the rural areas voted McCain, the urban areas voted Obama. Truly divided land that desperately needs to be united.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by harleydude78
that people/repubs who didnt vote for obama are ignorant/stupid/racist.
I don't think that. Some people may have based it on race alone, but to do that would be stupid, what matters is how much you believe in the candidate, not the color of their skin.
Not that popular vote matters at all anyway...
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
I voted for five republican candidates in a row.
As soon as I went 'D' I was branded a ignorant liberal, right here on good ole F-150online.

(truth is, when people call me names on the internet, I pull my hair and stomp my feet)
I didn't brand anyone anything. You are one of the funiest guys on here, and for years now I have been glad to read your posts.
Being from Virginia doesn't hurt, either.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Wookie
As a life long resident of Arkansas I am highly offended by this statement.

So because I do not think it is right to rip a living being from its mother, stab it in the head and call it a medical procedure I'm dumb??

Because I think that our founding fathers thought the right to bear arms was the second most important freedom, I'm ignorant??

Because I do not believe in a person's political agenda I am full of hate??

You preach that we should accept everyone but when I do not accept a political figure based only on their voting record and political stance I suddenly am ignorant, divisive and hateful??

Methinks I see a double standard...
None of that applies here, but Wookiee should have 2 Es on the end, not just 1.
 
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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Odin's Wrath
Obama has run a perfect campaign. His "present" votes on devisive issues, left him open to run a vague campaign. This caused many people to project their ideals onto him. Sort of an all things to all people sort of deal. Change represents different things to different people, and since he was not specific, on most issues, a lot of people made assumptions about what's coming. He left himself open to interpretation. With Bush having been demonized and the economy in a slump, things came together in his favor. You don't have to be stupid to fall for this tactic, but it helps.

Hopefully, he will surprise us all in a good way. Getting daily security updates, that aren't available to many other people, changes a persons world view... Unless they are too thick to adjust. I don't think Obama is a stupid man. I intend to give him my support until he shows he's unworthy of it. Hopefully, he won't. I'd like to see him succeed... As long as his successes aren't detrimental to the future of the people of this nation. And by extension, the World. He's going to be OUR President. He represents us all now.
Obama ran a perfect campaign, but he is going to have to run a perfect presidency. Obama is the first president of color, sorry to say he is not black, he is white and black which makes him biracial and a person of color. I belive that if Obama screws this thing up you will never see a person of color again, I am being honest., The white vote is what put Obama over the top, with out that vote, McCain is president. Look states like New Mexico and Iowa predominately white and they went with Obama. The one thing about this election is that it still shows that racism still exist and always will, with the African American vote at 97% for Obama, it just shows that people voted for color rather than the issues..

I too hope he succeeds, because if he fails, we all fail.
 

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Old Nov 6, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pickup Man
None of that applies here,
How so? I mentioned deal breaker issues for many people in these states. Obama, Kerry and Gore were all on the wrong side of these issues. That's why they lost.

Originally Posted by Pickup Man
but Wookiee should have 2 Es on the end, not just 1.
Only one E has worked for me since I was in college, no need to change things now.
 
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