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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:38 PM
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I hope this forum stays up for the next four years. Don't say I didn't warn you guys about what could be.

And as for "the country" speaking it's mind, there are many states that have very large cities that are handing electoral votes to Obama. Is that right in your mind, that 2-3 large cities in a state can call a state for a candidate? I don't think "the country" is speaking so much as densely populated cities are.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:40 PM
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As of right now, at 9:30 PM EST, you, sir, are in the minority. The country is speaking as to what direction in wants to go. I Feel that if McCain loses, part of the blame has to go to the guy named Bush---and enough of the people that voted RED in earlier elections have changed their viewpoints. What brought this about?

You may not like it---and that is certainly your right to disagree---but I guess if the projections hold up---(which they may not) the shoe is on the other foot now, and you get the opportunity to see how we have felt for, say, eight years.

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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigTRQ
I hope this forum stays up for the next four years. Don't say I didn't warn you guys about what could be.

And as for "the country" speaking it's mind, there are many states that have very large cities that are handing electoral votes to Obama. Is that right in your mind, that 2-3 large cities in a state can call a state for a candidate? I don't think "the country" is speaking so much as densely populated cities are.
They, too, are part of the country, are they not? Since when are they excluded from the ballot count? Does not their vote(s) count the same?

Gee, Bush won Pa. in '04 with 54% of the vote---what happened?

I do not feel tha McCain is to blame---but "W" put the screws to him...

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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigTRQ
I hope this forum stays up for the next four years. Don't say I didn't warn you guys about what could be.

And as for "the country" speaking it's mind, there are many states that have very large cities that are handing electoral votes to Obama. Is that right in your mind, that 2-3 large cities in a state can call a state for a candidate? I don't think "the country" is speaking so much as densely populated cities are.
In 2000 I thought the electoral college should be abolished. I think the same today. Elections should be won or lost by the vote of the majority.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by referee54
They, too, are part of the country, are they not? Since when are they excluded from the ballot count? Does not their vote(s) count the same?

Gee, Bush won Pa. in '04 with 54% of the vote---what happened?

I do not feel tha McCain is to blame---but "W" put the screws to him...

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I never said that big cities should be excluded. I just believe that they shouldn't dictate how a state's electoral votes are given. See below.

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In 2000 I thought the electoral college should be abolished. I think the same today. Elections should be won or lost by the vote of the majority.
Isn't that the truth! I guess our founding fathers didn't think too highly of the populous to allow for that to be the case.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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FYI, it's not just your country, it's not always about you . I, like yourself, am proudly an American, been serving my country for almost 5 years, deployed multiple times to multiple countries and you don't see me making absurd uneducated comments (though you are far from the only one). You honestly think Obama is going to turn this country into a socialist nation ? To be honest, I don't agree or side with either of the candidates, though I have a great amount of respect for McCain, but I'd have to say socialism is a far stretch of where Obama would take this country. Research, research and some more research. Don't always buy the bullshi* that's shoved down you're throat . In the end, I believe in my country, even in the dark times and am willing to fight for everything we have, regardless if we have a leader I agree with or not
So you don't think that the words that come out of obama's mouth like diarea aren't socialism? do some studying boy. Obama is spewing pure socialism. He won't be able to make socialism come about in 4 years. But it is a big step towards it. Our grandchildren will see socialism in this country. You don't see long term. You see now.. along with bush hate. I really question weather your in the military. By deployed do you mean green peace? Or are you in the military for the education benifits?
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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Hey, Chris---if the projections hold up---you will have to change your tactics---you will have to go on the offensive now. No longer will you be able to defend the lame policies of a president with the worst approval rating since the rating's inception; instead, you can gleefully atack the new guy.

I do honestly feel that Mccain's connection to "W", as well as the economy---hurt him BIG TIME.

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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 07fx4silver
FYI, it's not just your country, it's not always about you . I, like yourself, am proudly an American, been serving my country for almost 5 years, deployed multiple times to multiple countries and you don't see me making absurd uneducated comments (though you are far from the only one). You honestly think Obama is going to turn this country into a socialist nation ? To be honest, I don't agree or side with either of the candidates, though I have a great amount of respect for McCain, but I'd have to say socialism is a far stretch of where Obama would take this country. Research, research and some more research. Don't always buy the bullshi* that's shoved down you're throat . In the end, I believe in my country, even in the dark times and am willing to fight for everything we have, regardless if we have a leader I agree with or not
That's one of the best posts I've read in a very long time.
Eloquent, respectful, intelligent, and well thought out.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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Wow, it's not just my country? Gee, I thought it was.

Thank you for your service to our nation, for the sacrifices you've made.

I just don't see how others can't see the path that will be taken should this man be our President. Couple him with an eager Democratic Congress, and lots of things you've never imagined could be passed.
I apologize for the "my country thing", it's just my sarcasm coming out. Anyway, I agree with you entirely, although realize McCain, as with Obama, has plenty of his own faults and regardless of who is elected, will bring their faults to the table over their term. Most of the time, people side with certain parties as they believe that party will bring them the most success to their own life, and if you don't believe me just ask someone who they're voting for and you'll almost always get the same type of response, regardless of their political party preference and ultimately it always comes down to what's best for them and not for our country. To put to your argument, do you honestly feel you're going to be hurting if they raise your taxes because you'll be making above 200K a year? Put yourself in my shoes, do you think I should pay as much taxes as you (yes military pays taxes) or more even though I make a considerable amount less than you? Sure less taxes for the upper class is better for you but not right now for the country and nothing about that speaks of socialism, as the rich will still be rich (though not as rich) and the poor will still be poor (just not as poor) . I agree more with Obama on economics, but more with McCain on foreign policy and military funding/affairs because if Obama wins I'll surely take a pay cut myself. It's always easy to point the finger at the guy/party you don't agree with. Instead, challenge your own thoughts and beliefs and point the finger at the guy/party you do believe in, as you might learn that even though it's not best for you, it could very well be the best for our country. Greed will always leave you empty handed and tunnel vision (ignorance) will always make you blind, you can only learn and grow if you keep an open mind
 

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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by referee54
I do honestly feel that Mccain's connection to "W", as well as the economy---hurt him BIG TIME.

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I have a hard time defending McCain on anything...I just happen to dislike every policy that the Democrats support. I can only hope the Republicans have enough in the Senate and House to block the crazy legislation put forth. I love me some gridlock.

I will agree that the economy (Bailout) hurt McCain...

What I don't understand, is how congress has a 9% approval rating, yet the same ****** will get there seats back.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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So you don't think that the words that come out of obama's mouth like diarea aren't socialism? do some studying boy. Obama is spewing pure socialism. He won't be able to make socialism come about in 4 years. But it is a big step towards it. Our grandchildren will see socialism in this country. You don't see long term. You see now.. along with bush hate. I really question weather your in the military. By deployed do you mean green peace? Or are you in the military for the education benifits?
Wow, never seen such a unintelligent, disrespectful post that proved and said nothing. Glad to see how a true American cares about his country and respects those who serve. Still I'm willing to put my life on the line for people like you, so you can voice your opinion like you just did
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:42 PM
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I never said that big cities should be excluded. I just believe that they shouldn't dictate how a state's electoral votes are given. See below.


Isn't that the truth! I guess our founding fathers didn't think too highly of the populous to allow for that to be the case.
I agree
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by referee54
Hey, Chris---if the projections hold up---you will have to change your tactics---you will have to go on the offensive now. No longer will you be able to defend the lame policies of a president with the worst approval rating since the rating's inception; instead, you can gleefully atack the new guy.

I do honestly feel that Mccain's connection to "W", as well as the economy---hurt him BIG TIME.

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Don't even go there with aproval ratings. The congress aproval ratings make Bush look like a superstar. and yet the American public gave them more power. Hello carter... all over again. Oh don't worry.. I will be plenty offensive towards you socialists. You guys just can't see what really happened. In 2006 our economy was just fine. After the dumbocrats took over jan. 2007 things went south. But you just won't see that now will you? But then you will have 4 years of blaming bush for obama's failiers right? RIDE THE WAVE!
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 10:58 PM
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Wow, never seen such a unintelligent, disrespectful post that proved and said nothing. Glad to see how a true American cares about his country and respects those who serve. Still I'm willing to put my life on the line for people like you, so you can voice your opinion like you just did
And I already put my life on the line for you when you were just a young pup. Your ideas of the economy are WAY wrong. As a percentage, you pay nothing in taxes. Trust me.. when I was in the military, I paid almost nothing in taxes because I had a wife and two kids. The rich already pay the biggest burden of the money given to the government. You are saying they aren't giving enough. BS!! I am tired of the class warfare that the democrats promote. And if you can't see the difference.. sorry..you will someday. Socialism is wrong. And that is exactly what the democrats are promoting. Stop the bush hate and put your head on and get real.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2008 | 11:00 PM
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So you don't think that the words that come out of obama's mouth like diarea aren't socialism? do some studying boy. Obama is spewing pure socialism. He won't be able to make socialism come about in 4 years. But it is a big step towards it. Our grandchildren will see socialism in this country. You don't see long term. You see now.. along with bush hate. I really question weather your in the military. By deployed do you mean green peace? Or are you in the military for the education benifits?
Few pics from my deployment (although I guess I've never been deployed or have ever been in the military and have a hate for bush...god you're ignorant) in Afghanistan







 

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