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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wittom
Well, if you haven't noticed, I tend to share the opinion of the OP that it's the sum of Obamas career that is at issue. I'm also aware of the few cities that have been under the type of leadership that Chicago has been under for years and that it tends to be counterproductive.
Witt, you're better than this, your question to PKRWUD was on the money, the stats and Obama's job have nothing to do with each other. Only after the obviously made up murder statistic was shown to be false did you bother to mention that Obama has nothing to do with murder rates in the form of a question. Sorry if I misunderstood, but I think you know enough to realize a US Senator has little or nothing to do with a cities murder rates.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2008 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by chris1450
OBAMA'S CHICAGO Report Card

Body count:

In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago,
221 killed in Iraq.

Senators Barrack Obama, **** Durbin, Rev. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan, Mayor Richard Daley.....our leadership in Illinois.....all Democrats.

Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.

Of course they're all blaming each other. Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.5% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want).

Chicago school system one of the worst in country.

This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

He's gonna 'fix' Washington politics?
Sounds like any major metropolitan city in the US to me, Republican or Democrat led. Those issues are way too common to pin on Chicago only. - Og
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 03:46 AM
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Chicago has the third largest gross metropolitan product in the nation — approximately $440 billion according to 2007 estimates.[35]

The city has also been rated as having the most balanced economy in the United States, due to its high level of diversification.[36]

Chicago was named the fourth most important business center in the world in the MasterCard Worldwide Centers of Commerce Index.[37]
Additionally, the Chicago metropolitan area recorded the greatest number of new or expanded corporate facilities in the United States for six of the past seven years.[38]

In 2008, Chicago placed 16th on the UBS list of the world's richest cities.[39]Chicago is a major financial center with the second largest central business district in the U.S. The city is the headquarters of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago (the Seventh District of the Federal Reserve).
The city is also home to three major financial and futures exchanges, including the Chicago Stock Exchange, the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), and the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (the "Merc"), which includes the former Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT).

Perhaps due to the influence of the Chicago school of economics, the city also has markets trading unusual contracts such as emissions (on the Chicago Climate Exchange) and equity style indices (on the US Futures Exchange).

In addition to the exchanges, Chicago and the surrounding areas house many major brokerage firms and insurance companies, such as Allstate and Zurich North America.

The city and its surrounding metropolitan area are home to the second largest labor pool in the United States with approximately 4.25 million workers.[40]

Chicago has the largest high-technology and information-technology industry employment in the United States.[41]
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 03:50 AM
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Crime

.Chicago has experienced a decline in overall crime since the 1990s.[68]

Murders in the city peaked first in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million people (resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000), and again in 1992 with 943 murders, resulting in a murder rate of 34 per 100,000.[69]

After adopting crime-fighting techniques recommended by Los Angeles and New York City Police Departments in 2004,[70]

Chicago recorded 448 homicides, the lowest total since 1965 (15.65 per 100,000.) Chicago's homicide tally remained steady throughout 2005, 2006, and 2007 with 449, 452, and 435 respectively, and the overall crime rate in 2006 continued the downward trend that has taken place since the early 1990s.[71]
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by momalle1
Gee, why didn't you ask the OP that? You like the guilty by association stuff?
It isn't only guilt by association (good point wittom.. the VAST right wing conspiracy is the epitome of guilt by association) It is also guilt by having the same beliefs. obama used that very system for his rise. He is part of the system, hence part of the problem. Really easy to understand.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 06:39 PM
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What conspiracy
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by anaheim_drew
What conspiracy
The conspiracy that you "progressive" types labeled the Conservatives with during the clinton years.. DUH
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by chris1450
It isn't only guilt by association (good point wittom.. the VAST right wing conspiracy is the epitome of guilt by association) It is also guilt by having the same beliefs. obama used that very system for his rise. He is part of the system, hence part of the problem. Really easy to understand.
I don't subscribe to the VRWC theory, so you take that somewhere else. You'd think that since everything you posted has been debunked, except for the sales tax thing, I'm not sure what your point is. Obviously your intention was to blame Obama. If you wanted to say it's the same belief system, you should have said that, but we can debunk that too. Do you really want to get into that?
 
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Old Sep 27, 2008 | 10:46 PM
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Using the same analogy, I guess---we can look at Ohio's economic and crime woes and blame the Democratic senator---Sherrod Brown---oops, there is a Republican senator, too---George Voinovich; better blame him, too.

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Old Sep 28, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Man...............will I be glad when all this poitical b/s ends. I am not taking sides with anyone but the bottom line is what would the other side do??? Its real easy to slag off a person/party but could the opposition do any better & if so how??? As someone said to me the other day the preisident does not have the real power that stays in the senate so realistically how important is the presidents position sure he can vito but that does not happen to often. I will not vote for either because frankly I do not think that either is worth a damm, most politicians are only looking after themselves and could not give a rats *** about the general populus so why on earth should I (or anyone else) give a damm about them?
 
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