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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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Maybe. But check the history books in about 10 years. - Og
Schools teach evolution now, I don't place much value on the subjective aspects of education in public schools.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Schools teach evolution now, I don't place much value on the subjective aspects of education in public schools.
Actually, schools teach the THEORY of evolution. Do you really want schools teaching religious theories?
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Actually, schools teach the THEORY of evolution. Do you really want schools teaching religious theories?
If they teach the theory of evolution I want the "theory" of creation taught right beside it.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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To the liberals, yes
Well, considering he's violated the following, I'd say any red-blooded American will feel that way:

U.S Constitution: Article 1, Section 8, 9; Article 2, Section 1, 2; Article 6; Fourth Amendment; Fifth Amendment

U.S. Code: Title 2, Section 194; Title 18, Section 2, 4, 371, 1341, 1346, 1385, 2340A, 2441

War Powers Act of 1973: Section 9 (d)(l)

JRes 114: Section 3

UN Charter: Chapter 1, Article 2, Section 3

Third Geneva Convention

Fourth Geneva Convention

Fourth Geneva Convention Commentary

Additional Protocol 1 of 8 June, 1977 to Geneva Conventions of 12 August: Article 85 (3) (signed by U.S.)

Optional Protocol to Fourth Geneva Convention on Rights of the Child (signed by U.S. in 2002)

National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008: Section 1222

International Covenant on Human Rights (ratified by U.S.)

Convention against Torture (ratified by U.S.)

War Crimes Act of 1996

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA)

Voting Rights Act of 1965: Section 2

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Originally Posted by scott1981
If they teach the theory of evolution I want the "theory" of creation taught right beside it.
Evolution is a scientific theory. As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Creation is a theory based on faith, and has no scientific value. Teaching faith in any class other than an optional religious studies class in public schools violates the Constitution, while teaching science does not. If you want creation taught, stick with private schools.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 01:49 PM
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Well, considering he's violated the following, I'd say any red-blooded American will feel that way:
So are you questioning the fact I am American now because I don't agree with you?







Originally Posted by PKRWUD
Evolution is a scientific theory. As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. Creation is a theory based on faith, and has no scientific value. Teaching faith in any class other than an optional religious studies class in public schools violates the Constitution, while teaching science does not. If you want creation taught, stick with private schools.
We have been over this a thousand times, no need to get into it again. You said what you had to say so I will leave it in saying I believe creation has more evidence to support it than evolution does. Again we will not and do not agree on this so no sense in arguing about it.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 01:59 PM
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So are you questioning the fact I am American now because I don't agree with you?...
You know, if everyone had just put that in their sig long ago, it wouldn't have to be typed every other day.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 02:49 PM
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So are you questioning the fact I am American now because I don't agree with you?
Not at all. You implied that it would only be liberals that would feel that way, while I contend that with all of the laws he's violated, any red-blooded American, regardless of political leanings, would be likely to feel that way. If I had said every rather than any, that would be a different story.


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We have been over this a thousand times, no need to get into it again. You said what you had to say so I will leave it in saying I believe creation has more evidence to support it than evolution does. Again we will not and do not agree on this so no sense in arguing about it.
That's fair, but in the hope of lessening any tensions between supporters of the two schools of thought, allow me to try and clarify this. The reason why creationism can't be taught in public schools is because it is faith based. That doesn't mean that it's not correct, it just means that it doesn't have any scientific facts to support it. Evolution, on the other hand, has literally thousands of scientific facts supporting it. Once again, in the grand scheme of things, no one, legally speaking, is saying that creationism is wrong, but in order to be taught as a science, it has to meet the basic criteria of having some scientific facts to support it, that's all.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 03:22 PM
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..creationism...faith based........Evolution...scientific facts supporting it...
Here's how I'd explain it.
My truck has the orginal battery in it. The battery is over nine and half years old.
Now the scientific facts support that I ain't making it home today.
So, I'm driving faith based. (but I got jumper cables under the seat)
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 03:41 PM
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He'd probably have attacked Afghanistan initially, instead of that "proven" WMD country of Iraq. Glad Bush handled it with style. Just my opinion. - Og
The general public probably has no clue exactly what our intelligence agencies knew or why we attacked IRAQ. I am pretty sure it was because they thought it was better for our country. Its funny how people on here think they know more about our country's defense than the President and his cabinet.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:02 PM
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I'd really love Obama to be asked what he would of done in the event of 9/11 under his watch ... I'd love to hear that answer ...
Well, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't remain sitting in classroom for 7 minutes with his thumb up his rear.


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The general public probably has no clue exactly what our intelligence agencies knew or why we attacked IRAQ. I am pretty sure it was because they thought it was better for our country. Its funny how people on here think they know more about our country's defense than the President and his cabinet.
What about those of us who base our opinions on interviews with those in his cabinet at the time?
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Well, I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't remain sitting in classroom for 7 minutes with his thumb up his rear.




What about those of us who base our opinions on interviews with those in his cabinet at the time?
Your comment on him sitting in a classroom shows your ignorance to the time and situation. By no means would anyone rush the President out of a secure location after such an event. At that time noone knew what was going on. Once the situation became known and the SS knew it was safe they left with the President. For all they knew snipers were waiting on them to leave the school to shoot the President or a car bomb was waiting. What a completely uneducated unthoughtful statement you made!
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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The general public probably has no clue exactly what our intelligence agencies knew or why we attacked IRAQ. I am pretty sure it was because they thought it was better for our country. Its funny how people on here think they know more about our country's defense than the President and his cabinet.
"...pretty sure..." You're contradicting yourself. It's ok. A lot of Republicans do that. - Og
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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That's fair, but in the hope of lessening any tensions between supporters of the two schools of thought, allow me to try and clarify this. The reason why creationism can't be taught in public schools is because it is faith based. That doesn't mean that it's not correct, it just means that it doesn't have any scientific facts to support it. Evolution, on the other hand, has literally thousands of scientific facts supporting it. Once again, in the grand scheme of things, no one, legally speaking, is saying that creationism is wrong, but in order to be taught as a science, it has to meet the basic criteria of having some scientific facts to support it, that's all.
Somebody gets it Excellent explanation PKRWUD

I get the feeling fundamentalists actually understand it too, (how could you not) but just can't stand that everyone else just doesn't think the same as they do.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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What about those of us who base our opinions on interviews with those in his cabinet at the time?
Even with interviews we really do not know what goes on with the people running this country. I am pretty sure there is a lot we dont know about wether it be good or bad.

do you actually think the media tells us EVERYTHING that is going on in washington?
 
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Old Sep 11, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OgRedd
"...pretty sure..." You're contradicting yourself. It's ok. A lot of Republicans do that. - Og
No he isn't, it's OK to be pretty sure when a Republican is doing something, you need to know everything and then wonder what you don't know when it's a Democrat. All clear now?
 
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