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Funny, a guy complaining about overpaid union workers in a Happy Labor Day thread complaining about diversion.
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I am sorry but 50K or below is definitely underpaid. Useless car salesmen make more than that. Teachers are expected to mold our youth into the adults of tomorrow. In todays world where parents seem to want less responsibility for their spawn the teachers are expected to pick up the slack. They now have to discipline as well as teach because some parents are too lazy to discipline at home. Our children are the most important things in our lives. If you do not believe that you should not have children. (not directed at you Benny but at anyone that feels that their children are not their top priority)
The difference between you doing work after hours and a teacher doing it is that you have a choice. Teachers do not. It is part of their job. I do not have to take my work home. I can turn off my Blackberry and forget about everything until tomorrow but a teacher must correct papers etc. before tomorrow comes. Teachers are usually working during spring break and other breaks as well. That is when most schools schedule the teacher training sessions and other workshops they have to attend. Yeah they get summers off but most work then as well to pay bills. The average salary has gone up but there is still room for improvement.
The difference between you doing work after hours and a teacher doing it is that you have a choice. Teachers do not. It is part of their job. I do not have to take my work home. I can turn off my Blackberry and forget about everything until tomorrow but a teacher must correct papers etc. before tomorrow comes. Teachers are usually working during spring break and other breaks as well. That is when most schools schedule the teacher training sessions and other workshops they have to attend. Yeah they get summers off but most work then as well to pay bills. The average salary has gone up but there is still room for improvement.
2nd. It isn't the teachers responsibility to mold our children, its us as parents responsibility. But I do understand some parents try to skirt this responsibility.
3rd. Just because you can turn your blackberry off, doesn't mean everybody can. I know lots of people that put in 50-60 hour weeks (and sometimes more), that are salaried. Its just part of the job, same as teachers.
4th. $50k isn't alot of money, but 8 months of work isn't much work either. I wouldn't mind teachers getting paid more, only if they are paid according to results. My main point is, make the education system more of a free market. Give parents the choice, and let the teachers salary reflect that choice. It works in private schools, unfortunately not everybody can afford it unless we privatize them all and give vouchers to families.
I have a 2 month old daughter who means everything to me. She'll go to private schools, not because I'm wealthy (I'm a broke college student right now), not because I think the student environment is better, but because private schools attract better teachers, and those that do not perform get fired.
Our education system is in the dump, and IMO the teachers union is largely to blame. We need massive reform, we need to stop just throwing money at the problem and fix the system.
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Quality starts to suffer when a company has a bunch of deadbeats on the payroll that don't care about the end product, but the company can't get rid of them because those deadbeats are protected by the union. The end result is the good workers get fed up and walk out the door. I'm non-union and I have to put my best effort forward everyday, if I don't, I'm gone plain and simple.
Lockheed sure is struggling financially because of the union.
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Almost as a funny as a guy complaining about the income of a CEO in a thread about Labor Day and Unions
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