See, this is where you lose your credibility. If I understand what your saying, somebody that earns an honest living working just as hard as you but makes $10/hr is a scab? You and I both know that the only reason you make $35/hr is because of the union. There's nothing you do for $35/hr that your company couldn't get done for $10-$15/hr.


How does a Teamster start a bedtime story?

Once upon a time and a half.

How many Teamsters does it take to change a light bulb?

Seven, you got a problem with that!

 

I havent laughed like that in a while, thanks man. Sad only because it is true

 

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Originally Posted by Tbird69

How does a Teamster start a bedtime story?

Once upon a time and a half.

How many Teamsters does it take to change a light bulb?

Seven, you got a problem with that!



I've seen it and it's sad but it's not my money or yours so what's the big deal??? Do you actually think if all the unions were shut down this country would get out of the can???? I want what your smoking, cause at this point we are all on the train to hell and your time will come before the world gets there; so live like a rockstar and party like its 2099!!! Seriously man the money is there, go get it! Go union!......There's a little sarcasam and truth to that, kinda scary huh???

 

Teachers are underpaid is laughable. Average Teacher salaries

This is just salary, not including benefits. Which by the way, teacher benefits are some of the best in the country. Take into account they only work part time. 9 months of school, plus spring break, Christmas break, and every weekend and holiday off leads them to only work about 8 months. Compare that to the average worker who gets 2 weeks vacation and the occasional weekend off. I see that as if the national average teacher salary is $45k/8 months is equivalent to about $67.5k/year.

I don't want to hear about how teachers have to put in extra hours to grade papers and such, normal people get stuck doing extra's for their job as well.

If you want teachers to make more... privatize schools and give vouchers for parents to choose which schools their kids go to. More students/school = more money for the school = better pay for the teachers that do well. Its simple, capitalism works.... give it a try.

 

Here's what you don't appear to understand, it is my money that pays for your high wages. The businesses don't just absorb the cost of paying union wages. Those costs are ultimately past along to the consumer that's purchasing the product.

 

You guys don't see the entire picture. There are now $30 guys working next to new hires making $10 doing the same job. The job turnover rate is so high at the big three plants they can't keep good workers in there. The companies are pushing so hard and only looking at the bottom line that employees are leaving as a result. And what's the first thing to suffer because of that? Quality.

BUT all union jobs aren't like that, in actuality most aren't like that. Everyone looks at the UAW and the big three and think that's the only union on the planet.

 

No, but dissolving unions would be a good start.

A reality check working for a non-union outfit so you can see what you're really worth would probably do you good.

 

Quality starts to suffer when a company has a bunch of deadbeats on the payroll that don't care about the end product, but the company can't get rid of them because those deadbeats are protected by the union. The end result is the good workers get fed up and walk out the door. I'm non-union and I have to put my best effort forward everyday, if I don't, I'm gone plain and simple.

 

So you're saying when Nike started making sneakers in Asia the price went down?

 

I work for myself so i take whatever days off i need.

 

I am sorry but 50K or below is definitely underpaid. Useless car salesmen make more than that. Teachers are expected to mold our youth into the adults of tomorrow. In todays world where parents seem to want less responsibility for their spawn the teachers are expected to pick up the slack. They now have to discipline as well as teach because some parents are too lazy to discipline at home. Our children are the most important things in our lives. If you do not believe that you should not have children. (not directed at you Benny but at anyone that feels that their children are not their top priority)

The difference between you doing work after hours and a teacher doing it is that you have a choice. Teachers do not. It is part of their job. I do not have to take my work home. I can turn off my Blackberry and forget about everything until tomorrow but a teacher must correct papers etc. before tomorrow comes. Teachers are usually working during spring break and other breaks as well. That is when most schools schedule the teacher training sessions and other workshops they have to attend. Yeah they get summers off but most work then as well to pay bills. The average salary has gone up but there is still room for improvement.

 

I agree. The UAW gives all Unions a bad rep because of their "hold a company hostage" mentality. Striking should be the last tool a Union uses to get their way but the UAW seems to go there quickly. The big 3 have to push hard because the UAW elevated salaries for simple assembly jobs to outrageous heights. Yes the companies agreed to those salaries but what choice did they have.

 

When bottom line is mentioned, I just shake my head at where Wall Street and economic advisors have taken us. Back in my younger days, it was considered a job well done if a company had sustained growth year after year. The stock would gradually increase in value and the investors would be happy with a dividend and capital growth. Now, a company must publish it's next quarter's expectations which must be ever higher. They can have substantial growth, but if it does not meet analysts' expectations, that stock is a loser. Makes no sense to me at all other than it is part of our society's need for more and instant gratification. Someone says a company should experience a 20% gain, and they only make 15%, the stock goes down and they are looked at as failures. Makes no sense at all to me, but that is why the bottom line is so important to today's management. Our economy is driven, not just by the bottom line, but an ever increasing rate of bottom line. It will end at some point for every company, when they level out. Then management is blamed, the company is torn apart and Wall Street goes to the next hot one.

 

Ahh, great idea, try to divert attention from the subject matter we are currently discussing.

 

Agreed