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Old 06-25-2008, 04:15 PM
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Obama supporters..... help me understand this

I read this article today and I would like you Obama supporters to read it also. How the heck can you agree with Obama's socialism? Explain it to me please!

Barack Obama explains socialism
Four thousand supporters turned out for a rally with Senator Barack Obama in Durham, North Carolina, on Thursday. The Democratic presidential candidate said he would not take any questions, but he relented when a five-year-old girl named Hadassah Jones broke into tears. She was there as a correspondent for brandnewz.com.

According to the Associated Press story, Senator Obama gave the little girl a brief explanation of his plan for universal health insurance coverage and improved education. Then he explained his view that the wealthy should pay the expenses of people who are not wealthy:

"We've got to make sure that people who have more money help the people who have less money," Sen. Obama said. "If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, would you give him a slice?"

Oh, my. He should have stuck to his plan to take no questions.

Senator Obama glossed right over the difference between a moral imperative to be kind to people and government force that throws people in jail if they refuse to pay up.

When a presidential candidate says "We've got to make sure," that is the language of government force.

Maybe the senator should have explained it to Hadassah this way:

"If you had a whole pizza, and your friend had no pizza, should you be expelled from school if you refuse to give him a slice?"

Or maybe he should have explained it this way:

"If your mommy and daddy worked very hard at their jobs and went to school at night so they could make enough money to give you everything you need, should they have to give that money to all the parents who dropped out of school and wasted their time, and to all the parents who spent their money on things that your parents passed up so they could support you?"

Or maybe he could have explained it this way:

"If you build a lemonade stand and buy lemons and sugar and pitchers and cups and stand out in the hot sun all day selling lemonade, and at the end of the day you have fifteen dollars, whose money is that? Is the answer the same if it's only two dollars? What if it's fifty dollars?"

This is not an argument over giving away a slice of pizza. This is an argument about the morality of collectivism. When Senator Obama, and almost all other politicians, make their arguments for fairness and compassion, they are advocating not voluntary charitable giving, but government confiscation of some people's property for the benefit of other people, chosen by the government on the basis of need, or perhaps voting record.

Do the fruits of your labor belong to you, or do they belong to the people who most need them?

And if they belong to the people who most need them, are you a slave to the needs of people you don't know and can't control?

Collectivism is not the opposite of capitalism. It's the opposite of freedom.

Even a five-year-old should know that.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:26 PM
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no obama supporters I guess
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:35 PM
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I got one word for you BigMan,.... 'pepperoni'.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:39 PM
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Raoul do you believe that someone who works hard for their money and is successful should be FORCED to help someone who is lazy and doesnt have money? Charity is good but FORCED charity is communism.
 

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...and mushrooms. If your pizza doesn't have mushrooms it's not even worth me taking it off your plate.

It's just taxes. We've been paying income taxes for 90 years.
Even McCain isn't going to get rid of taxes.
We are just talking degree here.

Seems you would be the last to gripe, with the economy doing so good and all.

I'm pretty sure I would just be getting crust from you if Obama didn't beat you with that tax stick.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
...and mushrooms. If your pizza doesn't have mushrooms it's not even worth me taking it off your plate.

It's just taxes. We've been paying income taxes for 90 years.
Even McCain isn't going to get rid of taxes.
We are just talking degree here.

Seems you would be the last to gripe, with the economy doing so good and all.

I'm pretty sure I would just be getting crust from you if Obama didn't beat you with that tax stick.
Wow, what a pathetic attempt at justifying Obama's plans.

"It's just taxes" ?! Really?

So 10% taxes = 90% taxes?

I guess you as competent at math as you are at politics.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lumadar
...I guess you as competent at math as you are at politics.
Politics? Is that what you say passes for dialogue in these threads?

I just play tennis with BigMan.
I return it without spin, just as he served it.
 

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Old 06-25-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Raoul
Politics? Is that what you say passes for dialogue in these threads?

I just play tennis with BigMan.
I return it without spin, just as he served it.

and without answering either
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:15 PM
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How can an Obama chronie have anything bad to say about him??? I mean he's the candidate for CHANGE! Besides that they're freaking zombies.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by po1911
and without answering either
You're kidding right?
How many threads has he cut and pasted from god knows where with the single line 'Obama supporters, explain this'?

That's not political discussion that deserves any effort to answer.
It's just baiting people to jump through circus hoops for entertainment purposes.

Fun to read but, not to be taken seriously.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:30 PM
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awww come on dont be sour


btw I have this round thing with a little bit of flame on it I was wondering if you could quickly pass thru the middle of it
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:10 PM
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Well, if you had any decency you'd help your boy and explain the roles of the branches of government when he gets hysterical about Obama redistributing his wealth.

Tell him to more concerned about his congressmen who actually submit federal budgets and invoke tax law.

All the Executive branch does is sign or veto.
Once it gets to the Oval office, the horse is already out of the barn.
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:38 PM
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you seem to forget that almost every president has had a "honeymoon period", where even if your house and congress are against you, they allow many things to go thru without question remember Clinton's "first hundred days" a lot of his proposals went thru without much fanfare even tho later on people were like hey wait a minute WTF. so the question is how much trouble is obama mama going to cause with the senate on his side and fawning all over his socialist agenda, I say YOU are the one who needs to look at the big picture my friend the president can cause many more problems than you are alluding to so I say to all, please, please, please, remember checks and balances only work if the majority is not in agreement just something to chew on
 
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:48 PM
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I already pounded sand, with Bush and a republican House and a republican Senate.

Your turn.
 
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Originally Posted by Raoul
You're kidding right?
How many threads has he cut and pasted from god knows where with the single line 'Obama supporters, explain this'?

That's not political discussion that deserves any effort to answer.
It's just baiting people to jump through circus hoops for entertainment purposes.

Fun to read but, not to be taken seriously.
In other words... you can't justify obama's position so you resort to silly word games. These are serious issues that shouldn't be brushed under the carpet so to speak. They should be looked at closely by everyone. And it would be really cool if a obama supporter could come here and actually give a good answer to why what obama wants is a good thing... other than he isn't bush.
 


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