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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 10:55 AM
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BHibbs- i agree this is a stupid argument and i would not be doing it...but it is required by the class and we were assigned the topic so there was not much i could do
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Examples are all around you. The crux of the 'living docment' crowd is that the founding fathers 'could not have anticpated (fill in the blank), therefore we need to 'adjust' the Constitution to fit these modern times.

The internet, for example. The founders could not have known about the internet when they wrote the first ammendment.

Or assault weapons when they wrote the 2nd.

Thinks of something modern and find out which ammendment could apply. The H bomb, etc....
I disagree. The Constitution can be amended, but it is not a "living" document. The principles it enumerates are timeless. It is a shame that political hacks have cheapened, abused, and denied so much of it in an effort to make a name for themselves and or their party.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PONY_DRIVER
I disagree. The Constitution can be amended, but it is not a "living" document. The principles it enumerates are timeless. It is a shame that political hacks have cheapened, abused, and denied so much of it in an effort to make a name for themselves and or their party.
I actually agree with you 100%, and said as much in my first post in the thread. I was only giving the dude some ammunition for his paper, since he was not allowed to take the 'non-living' side.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BHibbs
Pfft.. This is a rediculous arguement. I hate to break it to you, but BOTH parties "believe" in a Living Document.

If a Democrat wants to make an Ammendment to the constitution and ban Slavery or something, they're Not listening to the demands of our Forefathers.

If a Republican wants to Ammend the Constitution to Ban Flag Burning, Abortion, or Gay Marriage, it's because "that's what the Forefather's supposedly "Meant" to say when they were writing it.."

Exactly which one of these Ammendments Don't you want??? (other than the 18th. )

http://www.superkids.com/aweb/pages/...n/amndmnts.htm



The republicans were the ones that were anti-slavery. Lincoln was a republican. Thought you might like to know.

Oh and the arguemet that it isn't a "living documnet" still hold true. The founding fathers put methods in place to ammend the constitution if things change. They did not intend for how it is written to be interpreted differently, just because times have changed. Basically, take the constitution for what it is, at face value, exactly how it is written. If changes must be made, it must be in the form of an ammendment. The concept of a "living document" implies changes can be made without going through this process.
 

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Old Apr 30, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
I actually agree with you 100%, and said as much in my first post in the thread. I was only giving the dude some ammunition for his paper, since he was not allowed to take the 'non-living' side.
Ah, I should have read ALL of the replies then. :o
 
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Old May 3, 2008 | 03:07 PM
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Finally finished the paper...turned it in...got an 87%. My teacher is a hard *** while grading papers. Thank you everyone who helped, especially you crAz3d. I really appreciate everyones help. I passed the class!!! Have a good weekend everyone
 
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Old May 3, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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A reply from an old uneducated fart. Infact aren't the first 10 amenments of the constistution dead. I understand the arguement for the rest is living. prohabiton is proof of that. But the first ten amendments will never change. Would that help your arguement any.
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Old May 3, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BennyHanna
The republicans were the ones that were anti-slavery. Lincoln was a republican. Thought you might like to know.

Oh and the arguemet that it isn't a "living documnet" still hold true. The founding fathers put methods in place to ammend the constitution if things change. They did not intend for how it is written to be interpreted differently, just because times have changed. Basically, take the constitution for what it is, at face value, exactly how it is written. If changes must be made, it must be in the form of an ammendment. The concept of a "living document" implies changes can be made without going through this process.
Good post. It is NOT a living document. On a broad generalization, liberals think it is a living document. Conservatives believe it can't change. Amendments are not changes in the sense that the document changed meanings. The basic principles of the constitution are not to be changed.
 
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Old May 3, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Gun control laws would be a change in our bill of rights. I hadn't thought of that in the perspective of the bill of rights. So that is not even garanteed.
 
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