If we use your logic---when do we begin planning the invasion of North Korea?

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The war profiteers and their lobbyists advocate anything that puts money in their pockets or serves their master’s interests. Oh yes they drape it all in the flag and “freedom” rhetoric so the dullard masses don’t object whilst getting raped. Then we have hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed as a by product of this war. Far more than Sadamn ever killed that’s for damn sure.

As for all those that rant about how evil he was I remind you we supported him and his regime for many years. There are the dictators as bad, or worse, than Sadamn and we do nothing about them, now why is that? Because this war is about three things. Transference of wealth from the general public to the military industrial complex and the associated leeches, Israel’s interests and oil.

I find it funny that anyone who objects to this ludicrous fiasco is labeled a liberal or leftist. Bush, like all politicians, is a puppet of the ruling class and there is nothing conservative about the war. It has been nothing but theft, fraud, waste and atrocity. Over half a trillion dollars and counting and we have accomplished noting but death and destruction and we will all be paying for it for years to come. Four thousand of our own are now in cemeteries for Goddamn pack of lies.

 

My logic doesn't require that. Where is the strategic benefit of invading N. Korea? That's just a childish argument. China is the key to stability in N. Korea. Until they get serious about resolving the issue, it won't be resolved.

 

I have to agree with you on this one. People do ignore the facts. In fact they use only the information that supports their opinion and ignore key points.

I guess this is why people go on a diatribe, using terms like war profiteers, dullard masses, leeches, ludicrous fiasco and Goddamn pack of lies, to name a few. When people go on rants like this it can give the reader the impression that the person saying these things hasn't looked at all of the information to come to these conclusions. There is a lot to this story. It seems easy to be angry with what we perceive to be the situation, and interpret the information we see to have meaning it may not.

It may also explain why there are people who seem to be trying to further an agenda, who tell us that we have to take action right now to save the planet, when there is plenty of informaiton contradicting their claims. There are a lot of facts being ignored in this situation. It doesn't seem to matter though. It seems to me that if people want to make the planet a better place to live, a little common sense would go much further than government madates and bloated budgets. There are better wasys to handle environmental concerns than the scare tactics that are being employed right now.

I don't think that either topic should be considered "cut and dry". These aren't some he said-she said situations. People have made some good points in this thread. Some I agree with, some I don't. I think that it demonstrates the complexity, not only of the situations at hand, but also the understanding of them.

 

You're Talking about IRAQ, right???

 

That is funny! You got me there!

And... this is a good example of how people use only the information that supports their opinion and ignore key points.

 

You're kidding right? Saddam had a truck set up to be a mobile manufacturing plant that made Nerve gas etc. It is documented that he used WMD's on his own people... did he just borrow those from the exiles? He used them, he had them, he was trying to get more...

 

People forget that one reason Bush Sr. didn't finish the job was that the UN resolutions had been met---we kcked Iraq out of Kuwait---that was the job that the UN's (which were are a part of and voted to accept) resolution was set up to accomplish.

I have also heard that the Iraqi's were fleeing in such great numbers that we didn't want to look like war-mongers and destroy them, as they were helpless...how ironic compared to how we may look today.

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The UN is irrelevant to everyone else in the world who doesn't follow their "guidelines". The US is one of the few that complies to most of their BS decisions; yet we are ridiculed.

 

We fund the UN. The monstrosity of a building where the UN headquarters is housed is paid for by who.... the US. Just happens to be in NYC. Who was footing the bill of a multi billion dollar reno of the UN headquarters? You guessed it!! No other country puts more money into the UN than the good old US of A.

 

What about the carpet bombing of Saigon North Korea.?

 

What about it...

 

When did they move Saigon to N. Korea?

 

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Hanoa[ho hj min bombings]


Illeagel accoring to The UN
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As I said if you ignore:


That courts have determined Saddam trained people in tactics identical to those used on 9/11;

-This doesn't include open admissions of funding Hamas, harboring known and wanted terrorists within the country, or the fact that quite a few countries had identified Saddam in UN Resolutions as having ties to terrorism-



That hundreds of WMDs have been found since Saddams fall;

-Found is found. If people were out to get him they couldn't do it without something to get him for. Inspection reports list gross violations of previous sanctions, deceit, obvious disregard for truth in declarations, and attempts to justify "dual use" facilities as being for legitimate cause, even though such legitimate production of chemicals never took place-



And that Bush openly admitted no operations against terror would be swift;

-"War has no certainty, except the certainty of sacrifice." Bushes words, not the words of the press or politicians that changed their minds later-


Then you might come to the conclusion that Bush and his administration were wrong.