First off, we were not attacked by Iraq. The only invasion in the Iraq war was committed by us. Second, the excuses given to us by our government for our invasion of Iraq have been proven to be lies time and time again. We're no better off now than we were 6 years and 4,000+ American lives ago when this travesty started. The kind of stability we are trying to obtain in Iraq is unattainable short of committing mass genocide. Now don't get the wrong idea. I'm not against protecting this great country but I do get upset to see our government starting unconstitutional wars under false pretenses. Bombing Afghanistan was 100% justified but Iraq is a lie.

The whole thing is all about oil for dollars and dollars for oil. Thanks to Henry Kissinger, Arab nations have accepted only dollars for their oil since 1973 and all oil consuming countries have had to buy our currency in order to buy oil. Saddam Hussein threatened to start selling Iraq oil in Euros so we took him out, plain and simple. Not because of WMDs or any of the other bs stories our government has laid on the American people. Any Arab nation with a huge stockpile of oil trading their oil in currencies other than the U.S. dollar will cause countries like China and Japan to dump their trillions of dollars since they will no longer need them to buy oil. This will destroy the dollar and our economy thus putting an end to our empire.

How about the Iranian Oil Bourse? As of Feb. 17th of this year, Iran has begun selling its oil in other currencies. Our government is feverishly looking for a way to sell a war with Iran to the American people. Of course they won't just come out and tell us it's all about the oil bourse. Anybody know the Vegas over/under line on how much longer before our nuclear first strike?

 

Got something to back that up with other than a left wing propaganda site?

MY opinion is, George W. went after Saddam to avenge his dad who failed to do so when presented with the opportunity. Actually the right thing to do in my opinion, just a stretch on the reasoning.

 

I guess Iran funding and training terror groups has nothing to do with talks of them being next on the chopping block. Their feverish and well documented goals of building nuclear weapons is secondary as well to Bush wanting their oil just like he wanted Saddams!! Give me a break.

Ahmadinejad is a complete nut job and is hell bent on destroying the US. The only reason I'd like to see a Dem in the White House is so they will have to make the decision to attack them. Then we can rip the Dems like they are doing right now. We all know it will still be Bush's fault... it always is. I bet you think Bush was in on 911 as well don't you? You, Jesse Ventura, and Willie Nelson... it was all a conspiracy!!

 

I like the vid. it's nothing but the honest to God truth. I have had family members serve in Iraq, some mutiple times, and I'm glad they made it back. But the 4,000 losses is sad, but there have been more people murdered in Washington D.C. since the begining of the war, but no one complains there. Bottom line is Saddam was a threat to the US. He might not have been ready to strike at the time, but he would have been by now. And come Nov. at the rate its going, this country will be in BIG trouble, if either of the Dems. get into office, it's going to be a long 4 years. I hope the American people see all the lies and bullsh^t coming from both their mouths, and won't allow either of them any farther than the senate, but thats too far already IMO. And the global warming is comp. unbelieveable. We don't have meterology records much over 100 years, so they are in no posistion to "calculate" the weather. This is a normal climatic change, they don't know it has prob. done this many times before. And I'll be the **** who drives the gas hog, and uses all the chemicals until the end, so everyone can blame me for the "global warming" s^it. well i'm done now.

 

I agree with you. We weren't attacked by Iraq. But, we weren't attacked by Afghanistan either.

We weren't hit by a military representing any particular country. This makes it a bit more difficult to hone in on an enemy. Our enemy in this situation is using the gray areas to their advantage.

 

Give me a break. This is pretty cut and dry. The Taliban and the country of Afghanistan harbored OBL. No ONE complained when we invaded those guys. I wish we'd finish the job.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. People "try" to tie the two together to help justify their War...

Perhaps you've forgotten. Bush said Iraq STILL had WMD and they were a Direct Thread to the USA so we needed to attack them.

It's true, there are a lot of people that ignore both the facts of Iraq and Global warming. At least their consistant...

 

All of the major news organizations have printed it. Rueters, Politico, CNN etc. Look it up, it's all over the place. Makes sense to me. I would have to agree with that reasoning. After all, Saddam would stand to crush our economy by doing so. The thing that bothers me the most is that our government has kept our troops in the meat grinder for 6 years and is nowhere near achieving victory. You'd think we would've learned after Vietnam.

We all have our opinions.....

 

It's not the war on Osama bin Laden. It's the war on terror. Do you think that the war is over when we finally scale back in Iraq? Saddam was a supporter of Palestinian terrorists (He paid money to the families of suicide bombers.) He swore to destroy the United States through any means at his disposal (Which to me implies terrorism.), and for 12 years, broke every rule of the cease fire agreement with us. They are strategically located between Iran and the the middle eastern countries that Iran seeks to influence. THE WHOLE WORLD THOUGHT THAT SADDAM'S SHADY ACTIVITIES INVOLVING WEAPONS INSPECTORS MEANT HE WAS HIDING WMD. He was an oppressive tyrant that mass murdered his citizens. Iraq seems like the perfect place to begin to combat terrorism in the Middle east to me.

People ask if Iran is next. Are you people insane? We've been fighting them since the first day we declared the War on Terror. Who do you think is responsible for the increasingly sophisticated weapons being used to kill US soldiers in Iraq? The leader of Iran has been accused, by former Carter era hostages, of being one of the leaders of that kidnapping. They are trying to develop nuclear weapons so that they can hold the area hostage under threat.

 

Who said anything about us wanting their oil? Go back and reread my post. These nations are starting to sell their oil in currencies other than the dollar. What this means is that all those other oil consuming nations ie. Japan, Europe, China etc. can now buy oil using their own currencies and no longer need to hold dollars for that purpose. Since they will no longer need dollars to buy oil they'll no longer need them and will dump them therefor crippling our economy. Saddam is gone so we have secured the fields in Iraq. Iran is next, if we can afford it.

I agree, hence the bourse.
No way. Bush is too stupid to have ever been able to plan 9/11. Although given the fact that the current administration was basically told it was going to happen and when, I fully blame them for doing absolutely nothing to stop it.

 

The average global citizen consumes about one acre of resources.
The average American Citizen consumes 5 ACRES of resources.

When people talk about guys like Ahmadinejad and Chazev taking other currencies instead of american dollar as an attempt to weaken it, in reality this is a bit futile. I opened this post with a statement in consumption.
These guys depend on our consumption for their Gross Domestic National Product. Now, other than oil, they have nothing to gain from our dollars because both nations contribute little else to the global population, be it goods or services.

European and Asian nations will continue to flourish because they continually inject the world economy with intellectual property. Du Bai has wised up and come to realize that in order to remain a global player they must offer something that the global community can participate in (tourism).

The majority of the worlds economy has been consumption driven. We as Americans consume so much more than the rest of the planet and it is our consumption based dollar that the rest of the depends on to facilitate their own economies. Our credit is what it is because other nations believe that Americans will always need wal-mart, star bucks and the mall to survive. It really is an astounding and symbiotic balance we have created. I believe wholeheartedly that we (America) can live without oil when we choose too. Many people do it on an individual basis every day. It only requires a shift in how we power our nations infrastructure. We built highways for trucks and now they are filled with passenger cars.
Imagine what can happen when we change the way we power those same trucks......
Our dollar may be low, but as long as we consume like good fat Americans we are fine. America has more paved roads than any other country in the world and will continue to do so for the next 25 years.
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, and Mazda need us to buy their cars, as do BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porche....
Wal-Mart, the store in which 70% or more of the product is made in China needs the trucks to keep running so they can stay in business, so why would China engage in a relationship with another country which so much of the revenue they use to expand their own nation, is generated by how much Chinese product America consumes....

It is true the gold standard no longer exists. Companies like AA must strategically deal with times of crisis.

I travel every month on planes around the country for business. There are hundreds of thousands of flights in our airspace consuming thousands of gallons of fuel every minute. Corporate America relies on this industry very heavily and needs it to facilitate business so rest assured the "powers that be" have vested interests in these companies.

 

For those that feel everything concerning Iraq was nothing but lies, stay away from the UN website. It's a documented fact that WMDs have been found, old equipment for production of WMDs previously destroyed had been repaired, great evidence of an ongoing nuke program was still in existance, etc, etc.

Ignore the decision of a democrat judge in a case against Saddam for training terrorists in techniques used on 9/11. Ignore the appeal that upheld the original ruling, again by a democrat.

Ignore the strong evidence in the Oil For Food program smuggling, kickbacks, and bribes.


Rather than deal with facts proven in courts of law, or by international bodies, continue seaching for a new list of 2 billion lies, and assume that they are all true.




Over and over I've seen claims that can be proven false with written documents. I've come to the conclusion that a great number of people so anti Bush and/or anti Iraq War simply don't deal with facts. There are others that know the facts, but wish we could put an end to it and bring our men home. But it seems they are greatly outnumbered by those that deal with conspiracies rather than facts.

I'm going to look into investing in metals. With all the new need for tin foil hats I'm sure they will rise in value.

 

I'm working on a tin foil jock strap because I truly believe the evil Bush regimes next plot is to sterilize tax paying Americans. So my only choices are to either become a Dem so I can live off their social programs or I can strap up and keep working. I'm no slug so I'll keep working on my cup!

 

Most people also leave out the fact, Our war on terrorism only started after the twin towers were leveled.
Wasn't there another time that attempt was made , something like 1993, I forget the year, . truck bombs in the basements, alot of people injured etc:


People that blam this war on who ever they blame it on ....

It was a direct attack on American soil......


Ya! know kinda like PEARL HARBOUR or maybe worse..

 

The only way that we would ever begin to re-coup all of the Billions & Billions of American Dollars & treasure spent for Liberating the Iraq Government & it's people from the evil dictator known as Saddam Hussein is for America to collect a huge discount on Iraq's rich oil fields! The thousands of American lives lost will never be paid back....& the thousands of countless,brave soldiers lives ruined by war inflicted injuries, physical/emotional will never be restored back to anything normal! For this huge Physical/Financial loss this country has experienced over the last five years demands that Iraq's oil become the new supplier of energy to the USA!
Does any American President have the "*****", to make this happen? I sadly say probably not! But that is just the type of pussies that we have running our country in the present & unfortunate future! Sad to admitt that this fine country has lost it's backbone & nerve!.................It makes me pissed!...

 

It's sad and true American soldiers have died protecting our way of life/taps

But also every and I mean every foriegn goverenment, the USA has gone to war with and defeated have themselves have become not only world powers themselves but great partners to the USA!