Earth Hour 2008
i'll stick with the facts that show global warming is natural and anything we've done is a very small percentage of the cause. by the way, we have had more cold weather this year than for a while, and i just got back from the mountains in colorado and they said this year they also had more snow and cold than for a while. stick that where the sun dont shine mr. al gore.
Originally Posted by Blackhawk68
i'll stick with the facts that show global warming is natural and anything we've done is a very small percentage of the cause. by the way, we have had more cold weather this year than for a while, and i just got back from the mountains in colorado and they said this year they also had more snow and cold than for a while. stick that where the sun dont shine mr. al gore.

Tell me about it.. there is still a few inches of snow in my yard... almost unheard of here in western Washintong to have snow at the end of March.
I think they should pressure businesses to slow down power consumption, not home owners and stuff.
when you drive past a wal mart or a home depot at night, do they leave all their parking lot lights on? Isn't that a giant waste? I notice it all the time around my place.. nobody in the parking lot, the store is closed, yet every one of the high powered bulbs is on....
when you drive past a wal mart or a home depot at night, do they leave all their parking lot lights on? Isn't that a giant waste? I notice it all the time around my place.. nobody in the parking lot, the store is closed, yet every one of the high powered bulbs is on....
Man made Global Warning is the biggest Crok of Poopey!..........The earth has been going through climatic/Temperature change/Intervals before man even started buring Carbon for energy! Mother nature will do what she wants to do! Period! The tree huggers are just pissed cause they are not in control of Nature........like they are of the rest of us!..........
Originally Posted by BHibbs
Screw Global Warming. I don't care if you believe in it or not. It's cheaper and better for our economy to NOT have all these "Environmental Controls". Let's just get rid of them all.
I understand that you're trying to draw a parallel, but I just don't see it. We saw the dead fish in the river. We saw that factories were dumping hazardous waste into the river. I'm sure that we tried to find something other than the hazardous waste that would kill the fish. Eventually we were able to determine without a dobt that it was in fact the hazardous waste that was being dumped into the river that was killing the fish.
I don't think "global climate change" is quite the same thing. The tempreture was hotter last summer. There was a hurricane that did a lot of damage to an already vulnerable place. Glaciers are melting. We see that people on this earth burn fossil fuel. We try to find something other than people burning fossil fuel that could cause these events to occure. There are many other possible causes. In fact, studing the climate history shows that these events have been occuring for centeries. The things that are happening right now aren't unusual, unless you look at a small portion of recent history. That's what people are doing to "prove" that "global climate change" is the result of mans activity.
I am an environmentalists of sorts. One of my hobbies is hiking. I want to make sure that there are places to hike. We know that dumping our waste everywhere is going to damage our environment. So, we contain our waste.
I don't have any problem with people being cleaner. In fact, I've always tried to reduce, recycle and reuse. Even before Algore made it popular. I don't think that the government needs to use our tax dollars to "save the planet". People just need to get their head out of their ***** and start using a little common sense.
I'm not a dummy. I don't need the government holding my hand so that I "do the right thing". If your a dummy and want the government to hold your hand, then have their short sighted legislation directed at you.
When I was a kid in the 70's after all the oil changes I did on the family vehicles,there was a spot in the back yard woods, where I just spilled all of the dirty oil at.........When I was a Kid I said..."What comes from the ground, goes back in the ground." Have things changed or what!.............
Originally Posted by wittom
Oh, I think I get it. You're trying to play devils advocate?
I understand that you're trying to draw a parallel, but I just don't see it. We saw the dead fish in the river. We saw that factories were dumping hazardous waste into the river. I'm sure that we tried to find something other than the hazardous waste that would kill the fish. Eventually we were able to determine without a dobt that it was in fact the hazardous waste that was being dumped into the river that was killing the fish.
I don't think "global climate change" is quite the same thing. The tempreture was hotter last summer. There was a hurricane that did a lot of damage to an already vulnerable place. Glaciers are melting. We see that people on this earth burn fossil fuel. We try to find something other than people burning fossil fuel that could cause these events to occure. There are many other possible causes. In fact, studing the climate history shows that these events have been occuring for centeries. The things that are happening right now aren't unusual, unless you look at a small portion of recent history. That's what people are doing to "prove" that "global climate change" is the result of mans activity.
I am an environmentalists of sorts. One of my hobbies is hiking. I want to make sure that there are places to hike. We know that dumping our waste everywhere is going to damage our environment. So, we contain our waste.
I don't have any problem with people being cleaner. In fact, I've always tried to reduce, recycle and reuse. Even before Algore made it popular. I don't think that the government needs to use our tax dollars to "save the planet". People just need to get their head out of their ***** and start using a little common sense.
I'm not a dummy. I don't need the government holding my hand so that I "do the right thing". If your a dummy and want the government to hold your hand, then have their short sighted legislation directed at you.
I understand that you're trying to draw a parallel, but I just don't see it. We saw the dead fish in the river. We saw that factories were dumping hazardous waste into the river. I'm sure that we tried to find something other than the hazardous waste that would kill the fish. Eventually we were able to determine without a dobt that it was in fact the hazardous waste that was being dumped into the river that was killing the fish.
I don't think "global climate change" is quite the same thing. The tempreture was hotter last summer. There was a hurricane that did a lot of damage to an already vulnerable place. Glaciers are melting. We see that people on this earth burn fossil fuel. We try to find something other than people burning fossil fuel that could cause these events to occure. There are many other possible causes. In fact, studing the climate history shows that these events have been occuring for centeries. The things that are happening right now aren't unusual, unless you look at a small portion of recent history. That's what people are doing to "prove" that "global climate change" is the result of mans activity.
I am an environmentalists of sorts. One of my hobbies is hiking. I want to make sure that there are places to hike. We know that dumping our waste everywhere is going to damage our environment. So, we contain our waste.
I don't have any problem with people being cleaner. In fact, I've always tried to reduce, recycle and reuse. Even before Algore made it popular. I don't think that the government needs to use our tax dollars to "save the planet". People just need to get their head out of their ***** and start using a little common sense.
I'm not a dummy. I don't need the government holding my hand so that I "do the right thing". If your a dummy and want the government to hold your hand, then have their short sighted legislation directed at you.
Interesting word from the Bible--Genesis-- "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
While we have dominion---does that also mean we are charged with taking care of them---the animals and others---as well as the earth? I believe that it does. I find it ironic that some of the very people that vociferously cite Biblical passages have overlooked this (purposefully?) when it comes to their comments about stewardship of our resources. I am not going to argue global warming---that is not the issue--but I do feel that we are charged with the thoughtful usage of what is given to us.
Tim C.
I viewed another thread---about hobbies---and remember,
I too, hunted for quite some time. I have gone duck hunting, deer hunteing, pheasant hnting, etc---but why do we have those around today? Because groups like Ducks Unlimited have stepped forward and stated that we have to preserve our resources so that others---down the road, can enjoy them. Why are deer still being hunted? Here in Ohio, the ODNR sets bag limits---not only on deer, but other wildlife and fish--so that we do not "burn out" our natuarl resources and that others can enjoy what is ours IN THE FUTURE. To me, it is not about global warming or Al Gore, it is about resaonable people taking reasonable actions to ensure that our children, and our grandchildren, can enjoy what we have enjoyed, as well. The Earth Hour is not about that Global Warming bit--but about our thoughtful stewardship of what is our---to enjoy now---and for others to enjoy down the road.
Tim C.
I too, hunted for quite some time. I have gone duck hunting, deer hunteing, pheasant hnting, etc---but why do we have those around today? Because groups like Ducks Unlimited have stepped forward and stated that we have to preserve our resources so that others---down the road, can enjoy them. Why are deer still being hunted? Here in Ohio, the ODNR sets bag limits---not only on deer, but other wildlife and fish--so that we do not "burn out" our natuarl resources and that others can enjoy what is ours IN THE FUTURE. To me, it is not about global warming or Al Gore, it is about resaonable people taking reasonable actions to ensure that our children, and our grandchildren, can enjoy what we have enjoyed, as well. The Earth Hour is not about that Global Warming bit--but about our thoughtful stewardship of what is our---to enjoy now---and for others to enjoy down the road.
Tim C.
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I was obviously throwing around a lot of Sarcasm,
But Seriously, Isn't Al Gore's big Message to Reduce Energy Consumption which will in turn, reduce Pollution??
I don't care if reducing the Pollution effects Global Warming or not. If Anything, it helps make the earth Cleaner!
Sadly, there are LOT of Moron's in this world. Before the Clean Air act in the late 70's there was a LOT of Stupid stuff going on, and the Environment Really paid the price.
China DOESN'T have these law's now. Should we just "trust" everyone there to do the right thing and not Dump Toxic Waste in their water Supply? Doesn't seem to be working, does it..
But Seriously, Isn't Al Gore's big Message to Reduce Energy Consumption which will in turn, reduce Pollution??
I don't care if reducing the Pollution effects Global Warming or not. If Anything, it helps make the earth Cleaner!
Sadly, there are LOT of Moron's in this world. Before the Clean Air act in the late 70's there was a LOT of Stupid stuff going on, and the Environment Really paid the price.
China DOESN'T have these law's now. Should we just "trust" everyone there to do the right thing and not Dump Toxic Waste in their water Supply? Doesn't seem to be working, does it..
Originally Posted by BHibbs
I was obviously throwing around a lot of Sarcasm,
But Seriously, Isn't Al Gore's big Message to Reduce Energy Consumption which will in turn, reduce Pollution??
I don't care if reducing the Pollution effects Global Warming or not. If Anything, it helps make the earth Cleaner!
Sadly, there are LOT of Moron's in this world. Before the Clean Air act in the late 70's there was a LOT of Stupid stuff going on, and the Environment Really paid the price.
China DOESN'T have these law's now. Should we just "trust" everyone there to do the right thing and not Dump Toxic Waste in their water Supply? Doesn't seem to be working, does it..

But Seriously, Isn't Al Gore's big Message to Reduce Energy Consumption which will in turn, reduce Pollution??
I don't care if reducing the Pollution effects Global Warming or not. If Anything, it helps make the earth Cleaner!
Sadly, there are LOT of Moron's in this world. Before the Clean Air act in the late 70's there was a LOT of Stupid stuff going on, and the Environment Really paid the price.
China DOESN'T have these law's now. Should we just "trust" everyone there to do the right thing and not Dump Toxic Waste in their water Supply? Doesn't seem to be working, does it..

Tim C.
Originally Posted by glc
Yep - and if you even tried to take your waste oil anywhere for disposal, they told you to go get lost.
I went to 6 different auto service places and they told me they were full. I have about 50 gallons of the stuff.
Originally Posted by BHibbs
Sadly, there are LOT of Moron's in this world. Before the Clean Air act in the late 70's there was a LOT of Stupid stuff going on, and the Environment Really paid the price.
The problem people like me have with this hype about global climate change is we are being told that there isn't time to make sure that things we do will make a difference, or even worse, cause more harm. They are shoving it down our throats. They assume that we don't know any better.
There are a whole bunch of things that we should be doing already. Many things require us to spend more money. Like, in my area, we pay the Good Will to take our used computers. Some parts they can use and some they recycle properly. We choose to pay money, we aren't forced to pay a tax. That's just one example of things that people can do, that will actually make a difference. Unfortunately turning your lights off for an hour one night gets more praise than the people who are putting their money where their mouth is does.
I guess my beliefs don't matter though. We are going to get a president and a congress who are going to enact laws that force us to pay money for short sighted programs. We have told our government that we want to be led around like little children, because it's easier than putting in a little effort and using a little common sense.






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