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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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I think it's funny when even Toyota Tundra owners know they bought a piece of sh+t, the rest are denial cases. As big as they propped themselves up to be "the truck that changes everything" or whatever, they will be critisized and knocked down a few pegs. Toyota's are bland, boring and cheaply engineered and constructed. They are as innovative and exciting as a cardboard box on wheels.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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So people hate Toyota, it's another sign of the beloved "Americana" that people still hold onto is bieng lost, American things forever. That, plus it's in alot of our blood.
Amen. I will not sell out to the lowest bidder or the "new" thing on the market. I will support the American worker as long as can. It's great I don't have to settle as the F-150 is still the best looking best built truck on the road
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Why only cars though? Why not TV's, DVD/Blu-Ray players, Cell phones, PDA's, washers & dryers, computers, back packs, home theather systems, video games, etc...

There's a lot of disdain for Japanese cars, but everything else Japanese, Korean, German- etc- is embraced?

Why the hypocrisy? This isn't directed to anyone in particular- just a general question.

And please, no one try to tell me everything you own is made in America. If that's true, you don't own much.
I always have found this argument funny. Do you know why you can't go purchase these items listed above that are made in America? Because we all sold out and purchased this crap from China and Japan not caring about the long term effects but only wanting to save money. Now we don't have American companies in most of these markets left because they were not supported. Now go ahead and do the same thing to automobiles and soon your only option will come from China and Japan just like 60% of the other crap flying off the Walmart shelfs.

Oh and I check the "Made In" sticker in about everything I buy. Sometimes I pay double, sometimes sadly I dont have a choice. I do support the American worker in every aspect, not just in my choice of automobiles
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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I always have found this argument funny. Do you know why you can't go purchase these items listed above that are made in America? Because we all sold out and purchased this crap from China and Japan not caring about the long term effects but only wanting to save money.
So, who here has the money to just give away? I don't, and I doubt many others do either. We all have limited funds, because if we didn't, many of us would be on Lamborghini.com, rather than F150online.com. So, to find a cheaper, probably better built (or perhaps not as well built) substitute for less money. Sure, people are going to buy that.

That's why Kia, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi are the fastest growing nameplates sold in America. Why? Because many buy the most they can, for the least they can. They're good cars- so folks will feel like, Why pay $18,000 for a Cobalt, when I can pay $13,000 for a Spectra?

Foreign effort goes into American made products (The Fusion is made in Mexico)- and yes, while I know that is on the same continent, it's not the same country- so, where do we draw the line?

Toyota builds Camry's and Tundra's in the US. Those are American's in those plants. Same for Honda with the Accord, Same for Nissan with the Titan, Armada, QX56, and Altima. Same for BMW with the X class, and Mercedes with the ML.

Everyday American's lose their jobs because our jobs are being sent overseas. In my job, a good 75% of the actual function from getign A to Z is done by workers in other countries. I'd liek to see American's do that work too. So, you know, the 25% that's left, is indeed worried about what tomorrow may hold. So, in times of dwindling jobs, and consumer confidence, people are going to settle for "that will do" rather than spend more.

If the Japanese sold gas here for $1.00 a gallon, I can tell you, @ $3.15 a gollon, Exxon/Mobile profits would dry up over night.

I'm not trying to steer anyone towards a Japanese car. Buy what you like. I'm just saying, the fact that it's hard to find American made products- if one is truly that patriotic- to the point that they won't even use foreign made products, then there is no excuse for having anything foreign made- from socks, to underwear, to pants, shirts, shoes, furniture, electronics, etc...

It's not funny to hear about folks keying Tundra's. No more than it was funny that tree huggers set V-8 engined trucks on fire on dealer lots a few years ago. Primary targets were Hummers and Excursions.

People don't deserve to have their property vandalized, by idiotic kids/adults/tree-huggers- who don't share their sense of style.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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yep, the ones I have on now, are about 3 years old. Starting to show signs of wear now...

I have two pair in the closet that are 8 - 9 years old, and still look new. I don't wear them mush because they're made of that suede looking leather, and you never know what TX weather is going to be like.

If I go to Kohl's, I can pick up a pair for $39 - $79 bucks.

I thought it'd be cheaper ordering them from the Sketcher's website (I don't know if they do that any more). The same shoe I saw at Kohl's for $59.00 was $109 on the Sketcher's website.

Pass...
I got mine at the Parks at Arlington mall about a decade ago, back when Doc Marten's were all the rage. I was going to get some doc's, but I couldn't see spending that much on some kicks.

All in all the Skechers are still perfect. Holding up great under my large 6'2" 330# body.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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Foreign effort goes into American made products (The Fusion is made in Mexico)- and yes, while I know that is on the same continent, it's not the same country- so, where do we draw the line?

Toyota builds Camry's and Tundra's in the US. Those are American's in those plants. Same for Honda with the Accord, Same for Nissan with the Titan, Armada, QX56, and Altima. Same for BMW with the X class, and Mercedes with the ML.

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Toyota imported more cars than they made here last year and all Toyota Hybrids are made in Japan. People seem to forget that Ford still builds almost all of their cars and trucks here with an exception for a few models. Ford sells a lot of Cars and trucks in CAN and MEX so there for they build them there. Sorry but I would rather drive a Mexican made Ford than a Toyota made here. Toyota can keep its cheap temp labor, that some Americans call jobs..

Here is a list of US made cars..

http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2007/index.cfm
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Toyota imported more cars than they made here last year and all Toyota Hybrids are made in Japan. People seem to forget that Ford still builds almost all of their cars and trucks here with an exception for a few models. Ford sells a lot of Cars and trucks in CAN and MEX so there for they build them there. Sorry but I would rather drive a Mexican made Ford than a Toyota made here. Toyota can keep its cheap temp labor, that some Americans call jobs..

Here is a list of US made cars..

http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2007/index.cfm

so the tacoma is UAW made
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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I posted that just for you man. Show some appreciation.

The pic you posted was from Dega last spring. He landed right in front of where I was camping in the turn 3 infield. That was awesome.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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so the tacoma is UAW made
I know a couple of Toyota's are UAW, the Tacoma and Coralla. But I think the Coralla in Canada in not CAW. The Tacoma is also made in Canda but I am not sure weather or not it is CAW. But the point being is there are a lot of American cars and trucks built right here. I am tired of people hearing that a couple of Toyota's were made here and all Fords are made in Mexico. It is a crock and people should be more informed and know the facts before they going running at the mouth..
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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So, who here has the money to just give away? I don't, and I doubt many others do either. We all have limited funds, because if we didn't, many of us would be on Lamborghini.com, rather than F150online.com. So, to find a cheaper, probably better built (or perhaps not as well built) substitute for less money. Sure, people are going to buy that.

That's why Kia, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi are the fastest growing nameplates sold in America. Why? Because many buy the most they can, for the least they can. They're good cars- so folks will feel like, Why pay $18,000 for a Cobalt, when I can pay $13,000 for a Spectra?

Foreign effort goes into American made products (The Fusion is made in Mexico)- and yes, while I know that is on the same continent, it's not the same country- so, where do we draw the line?

Toyota builds Camry's and Tundra's in the US. Those are American's in those plants. Same for Honda with the Accord, Same for Nissan with the Titan, Armada, QX56, and Altima. Same for BMW with the X class, and Mercedes with the ML.

Everyday American's lose their jobs because our jobs are being sent overseas. In my job, a good 75% of the actual function from getign A to Z is done by workers in other countries. I'd liek to see American's do that work too. So, you know, the 25% that's left, is indeed worried about what tomorrow may hold. So, in times of dwindling jobs, and consumer confidence, people are going to settle for "that will do" rather than spend more.

If the Japanese sold gas here for $1.00 a gallon, I can tell you, @ $3.15 a gollon, Exxon/Mobile profits would dry up over night.

I'm not trying to steer anyone towards a Japanese car. Buy what you like. I'm just saying, the fact that it's hard to find American made products- if one is truly that patriotic- to the point that they won't even use foreign made products, then there is no excuse for having anything foreign made- from socks, to underwear, to pants, shirts, shoes, furniture, electronics, etc...

It's not funny to hear about folks keying Tundra's. No more than it was funny that tree huggers set V-8 engined trucks on fire on dealer lots a few years ago. Primary targets were Hummers and Excursions.

People don't deserve to have their property vandalized, by idiotic kids/adults/tree-huggers- who don't share their sense of style.
Nice post Bighersh...a lot of good points in there
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:55 AM
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So, who here has the money to just give away? I don't, and I doubt many others do either. We all have limited funds, because if we didn't, many of us would be on Lamborghini.com, rather than F150online.com. So, to find a cheaper, probably better built (or perhaps not as well built) substitute for less money. Sure, people are going to buy that.
Sorry but I hardly feel supporting your country and its economy is "giving away" money. Our dollar is on the steady decline, maybe if some people looked at the big picture rather than just a bank account balance they would realize that supporting the local workers and companies will only make our economy stronger and will increase the value of YOUR dollar. If the dollar was worth more on the open market and more consumers purchased from American companies the price would drop.




Originally Posted by Bighersh
That's why Kia, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi are the fastest growing nameplates sold in America. Why? Because many buy the most they can, for the least they can. They're good cars- so folks will feel like, Why pay $18,000 for a Cobalt, when I can pay $13,000 for a Spectra?
I would personally never own either of these brands, but I guess if your selling out to the lowest bidder and didn't care you had to be seen in a Kia nothing would stop you.

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Foreign effort goes into American made products (The Fusion is made in Mexico)- and yes, while I know that is on the same continent, it's not the same country- so, where do we draw the line?.
Stop and think for a second why the Fusion is made in Mexico. How can the U.S. with all of it's labor laws compete with companies producing products in countries with much lower min wage and fewer labor laws. Seeing how the American people no longer care where something is made and have little national loyalty the American companies have started to increase the emphasis in price point. When was the last time you heard "It's made in America" as part of a sales pitch? Sadly for me it's been years.


Originally Posted by Bighersh
Toyota builds Camry's and Tundra's in the US. Those are American's in those plants. Same for Honda with the Accord, Same for Nissan with the Titan, Armada, QX56, and Altima. Same for BMW with the X class, and Mercedes with the ML.
They are saving money by building here, if you think they are doing it as a favor to the American people you are fooling yourself. It also plays into the whole "Her were American too" now lets get this money back to Japan ASAP

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Everyday American's lose their jobs because our jobs are being sent overseas. In my job, a good 75% of the actual function from getign A to Z is done by workers in other countries. I'd liek to see American's do that work too. So, you know, the 25% that's left, is indeed worried about what tomorrow may hold. So, in times of dwindling jobs, and consumer confidence, people are going to settle for "that will do" rather than spend more..
Sounds like a great plan to fix the problem, just keep adding fuel to the fire.

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If the Japanese sold gas here for $1.00 a gallon, I can tell you, @ $3.15 a gollon, Exxon/Mobile profits would dry up over night.
I agree

Originally Posted by Bighersh
I'm not trying to steer anyone towards a Japanese car. Buy what you like. I'm just saying, the fact that it's hard to find American made products- if one is truly that patriotic- to the point that they won't even use foreign made products, then there is no excuse for having anything foreign made- from socks, to underwear, to pants, shirts, shoes, furniture, electronics, etc....
American companies are no longer players in every market. I challenge you next time you go shopping try to find everything on your list but made in America. Not saying buy it just try to find it,... good luck.

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It's not funny to hear about folks keying Tundra's. No more than it was funny that tree huggers set V-8 engined trucks on fire on dealer lots a few years ago. Primary targets were Hummers and Excursions.

People don't deserve to have their property vandalized, by idiotic kids/adults/tree-huggers- who don't share their sense of style.
I completely agree, but at the same time I understand why it is happening.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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Sorry but I hardly feel supporting your country and its economy is "giving away" money. Our dollar is on the steady decline, maybe if some people looked at the big picture rather than just a bank account balance they would realize that supporting the local workers and companies will only make our economy stronger and will increase the value of YOUR dollar. If the dollar was worth more on the open market and more consumers purchased from American companies the price would drop.
I appreicate where you are coming from here but you have to realize one thing. You have NO CONTROL where your money goes within that American company you are supporting. ( unless you are a shareholder ) I would find it very hard to believe that a company would remain patriotic to a country when it can set up shop somewhere else and relativly close for much less. ( aka Mexico )

As for the price dropping for supporting American companies, do you have an example of this? I highly doubt that a company is going to start dropping prices because of an increase in demand. ( we all know how that works when you have to fill your truck with gas...)
 
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 10:16 AM
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I appreicate where you are coming from here but you have to realize one thing. You have NO CONTROL where your money goes within that American company you are supporting. ( unless you are a shareholder ) I would find it very hard to believe that a company would remain patriotic to a country when it can set up shop somewhere else and relativly close for much less. ( aka Mexico )
"Made in America" at one time stood for pride, value & quality. Now people just associate it with over-inflated pricing. Yes I have no control over where the money goes, but common sense would tell you if the company has plants here, workers here, CEO's here that most of your money will stay in the place those people reside. I can tell you if I purchase good's from China or Japan once they pay off the few American workers here the money is going right back over sea's. When the American people supprted the American suppliers they had no reason to outsource, it was a circle of pride, growth and profit. Now with the American people turning a blind eye the companies have to do whatever it takes to survive. Do you think Ford is proud to have the Fusion made in Mexico? I highly doublt thats something they mention in the sales pitch or in the brochure


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As for the price dropping for supporting American companies, do you have an example of this? I highly doubt that a company is going to start dropping prices because of an increase in demand. ( we all know how that works when you have to fill your truck with gas...)
I will get back to you on this
 
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