So, who are you voting for?
So, who are you voting for?
I'm still undecided...
I know some people vote for whomever their party nominates, but- for those who vote for who they think the best candidate is, rather than what party they're affiliated with- I'm just curous about what you think.
I know a lot about John McCain, he seems genuine, and because he's prior service, pro-military, and a former POW- that gets hm a few points with me. However, I don't see McCain as an agent of change. I don't see him reaching a commn ground between Democrats and Republicans. I think we'd have 4 years of a slightly different, albeit very similar situation.
Mike Huckabee: I like him more than I do McCain. He's been on Real Time with Bill Maher, and he's done well there. I haven't seen him debate, so I don't really know where he stands on the broader issues. But, he does strike me as level headed, and a thinker. I think we need that. Unfortunately, I feel he has as much chance of winning the nomination as I do winnng a gold medal in synchronizd simming.
Hillary Clinton: I like Hillary. She's sharp as a tack, quick witted, intelligent, and spent eight years in the White House, perhaps not making the decisions, but right there with the man who was making them. I think this gives her an insight into what's really going on, that the others lack. However, I don't think white male America is ready for a female President. I think that is the main reason she's losing ground to Barack Obama. There are some good ol' boys (and girls) out there who just don't think a woman can handle the job. In my lifetime, I think she's been the most viable female candidate to come along. But, I don't think she's going to have a chance.
Barack Obama: I don't know a lot about him. Jury is still out. But, I listened to a little bit of the CNN debate this morning between he and Hillary, and whiel I didn't have time to hear both sides. Obama is definitely a polished speaker, smart, intelligent, and seems to have good ideas. He appeals to women, young people, and minorities. Nevertheless, we all know it takes more than good ideas to be successful. You have to be able to unify the congress, and make ideas into reality. Plus, I think some of the same folks that won't vote for Hillary won't vote for Obama either.
Overall, if I had to pick a winner, I think John McCain would be the next President. I'm not casting a vote just yet, but, just looking at the big picture, of the four leaders- individually, I don't think either of them, alone, is strong enough to beat McCain.
I believe folks will turn out in droves to vote for McCain, not even knowing his stance on politics, if it means keeping Obama, a black man- or Hillary, a white woman, out of the White House.
I think the only way Obama or Clinton can defeat McCain, is if one joins the other, and they run on the same ticket. Will they do that? Reagan and Bush put aside their differences and ran together in 1980...
What do you think about the upcoming elections?
I know some people vote for whomever their party nominates, but- for those who vote for who they think the best candidate is, rather than what party they're affiliated with- I'm just curous about what you think.
I know a lot about John McCain, he seems genuine, and because he's prior service, pro-military, and a former POW- that gets hm a few points with me. However, I don't see McCain as an agent of change. I don't see him reaching a commn ground between Democrats and Republicans. I think we'd have 4 years of a slightly different, albeit very similar situation.
Mike Huckabee: I like him more than I do McCain. He's been on Real Time with Bill Maher, and he's done well there. I haven't seen him debate, so I don't really know where he stands on the broader issues. But, he does strike me as level headed, and a thinker. I think we need that. Unfortunately, I feel he has as much chance of winning the nomination as I do winnng a gold medal in synchronizd simming.
Hillary Clinton: I like Hillary. She's sharp as a tack, quick witted, intelligent, and spent eight years in the White House, perhaps not making the decisions, but right there with the man who was making them. I think this gives her an insight into what's really going on, that the others lack. However, I don't think white male America is ready for a female President. I think that is the main reason she's losing ground to Barack Obama. There are some good ol' boys (and girls) out there who just don't think a woman can handle the job. In my lifetime, I think she's been the most viable female candidate to come along. But, I don't think she's going to have a chance.
Barack Obama: I don't know a lot about him. Jury is still out. But, I listened to a little bit of the CNN debate this morning between he and Hillary, and whiel I didn't have time to hear both sides. Obama is definitely a polished speaker, smart, intelligent, and seems to have good ideas. He appeals to women, young people, and minorities. Nevertheless, we all know it takes more than good ideas to be successful. You have to be able to unify the congress, and make ideas into reality. Plus, I think some of the same folks that won't vote for Hillary won't vote for Obama either.
Overall, if I had to pick a winner, I think John McCain would be the next President. I'm not casting a vote just yet, but, just looking at the big picture, of the four leaders- individually, I don't think either of them, alone, is strong enough to beat McCain.
I believe folks will turn out in droves to vote for McCain, not even knowing his stance on politics, if it means keeping Obama, a black man- or Hillary, a white woman, out of the White House.
I think the only way Obama or Clinton can defeat McCain, is if one joins the other, and they run on the same ticket. Will they do that? Reagan and Bush put aside their differences and ran together in 1980...
What do you think about the upcoming elections?
Last edited by Bighersh; Feb 22, 2008 at 05:44 PM.
Originally Posted by Bighersh
I believe folks will turn out in droves to vote for McCain, not even knowing his stance on politics, if it means keeping Obama, a black man- or Hillary, a white woman, out of the White House.
I despise Obama! His skin color has nothing to do with it! I love Alan Keyes! He is a black conservative. Probably never heard of him huh? As far as voting for Hillary and Obama is concerned. They are both communists trying to turn the United States into the USSR.
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He talks about the current administration spending money overseas, talks about spending it here but yet he sponsors this bill.
Just 1 of the many things I do not like about him.
Originally Posted by Shinesintx
I enjoyed reading your comments...and I hate all of the candidates! To say that I would not vote for Hillary and Obama because one is a woman and the other is black is pure reverse racism on your part. Its not your fault, you have been brainwashed by AL Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Anyone who is black and conservative is considered a house slave as quoted by Harry Belafonte...
I despise Obama! His skin color has nothing to do with it! I love Alan Keyes! He is a black conservative. Probably never heard of him huh? As far as voting for Hillary and Obama is concerned. They are both communists trying to turn the United States into the USSR.
I despise Obama! His skin color has nothing to do with it! I love Alan Keyes! He is a black conservative. Probably never heard of him huh? As far as voting for Hillary and Obama is concerned. They are both communists trying to turn the United States into the USSR.
But no, those are the kinds of mindsets Hillary will never overcome, or appeal to. For that reason, I don't think she'll get their vote. If you happen to think that way too, perhaps that's why you think she's a communist... I don't know. I gotta tell you, if finding a way to ensure sick/poor people can go to the doctor when they're sick, and reduce the cost of healthcare for those of us who pay for it is Communist thinking, then I think we need more communists in this country.
But, no sir- I'm not a racist, nor were my comments... Not at all. if it's anything, it's a guess and an opinion... Not racism.
And, yes- I do know Alan Keyes- I did a paper on him back when I was working on my Associates, 8 or 9 years ago.
PS: I'm not a fan, or hater of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
Next question...
Last edited by Bighersh; Feb 22, 2008 at 07:30 PM.
Originally Posted by Bighersh
I didn't say "you" wouldn't. I don't know you. I'm basing this upon the white males I know personally. The same one's who don't think women make good firefighters, police officers, or soldiers. There are black men who think that way too. I think that's chauvanistic BS. There are some pretty dynamic women in this world. I've served with them in the military, and worked with them in the civilian world. I've known women with more cajones than a lot of men I've met.
But no, those are the kinds of mindsets Hillary will never overcome, or appeal to. For that reason, I don't think she'll get their vote. If you happen to think that way too, perhaps that's why you think she's a communist... I don't know. I gotta tell you, if finding a way to ensure sick/poor people can go to the doctor when they're sick, and reduce the cost of healthcare for those of us who pay for it is Communist thinking, then I think we need more communists in this country.
But, no sir- I'm not a racist, nor were my comments... Not at all. if it's anything, it's a guess and an opinion... Not racism.
And, yes- I do know Alan Keyes- I did a paper on him back when I was working on my Associates, 8 or 9 years ago.
PS: I'm not a fan, or hater of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
Next question...
But no, those are the kinds of mindsets Hillary will never overcome, or appeal to. For that reason, I don't think she'll get their vote. If you happen to think that way too, perhaps that's why you think she's a communist... I don't know. I gotta tell you, if finding a way to ensure sick/poor people can go to the doctor when they're sick, and reduce the cost of healthcare for those of us who pay for it is Communist thinking, then I think we need more communists in this country.
But, no sir- I'm not a racist, nor were my comments... Not at all. if it's anything, it's a guess and an opinion... Not racism.
And, yes- I do know Alan Keyes- I did a paper on him back when I was working on my Associates, 8 or 9 years ago.
PS: I'm not a fan, or hater of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
Next question...
I believe folks will turn out in droves to vote for McCain, not even knowing his stance on politics, if it means keeping Obama, a black man- or Hillary, a white woman, out of the White House.
The reason I dislike the black man and white woman is the fact that the vast majority of the people that vote for them are looking for a handout...people that are dependent on the government. I think Chris's post below was an excellent example. I find your bigotry insulting.
Last edited by Shinesintx; Feb 22, 2008 at 07:52 PM.
To say mrs bill clinton won't win because she is a woman, and obama won't win because he is black is very disturbing. That just isn't the case. In the realm of ideas niether has a lick of experiance or qualifications to run the country. Both have made it quite clear that they will raise taxes. Way to stiffle an economy!! They both are pure socialists.We don't need or want that. Universal health care is a gross waste of time, funds and inovation. Punishing businesses puts the cost on the consumer. Class warfare is all that drives the democrats now. We don't need that. Here is a fictional letter that hits it on the head.....
My fellow Identity-Americans.
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for their...
well, support.
Your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any
legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan
and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting
record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of
change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal
behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of
claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is
a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of
me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK
started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped
Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a teenage girl. And I'm not
going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.
And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of
meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the
White House.
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or
achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes
some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.
I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything
because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have
meaning, then that means you have to think about them.
Americans are tired of thinking.
It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart.
So when you go to vote in the primaries, remember don't think, just do.
And do it for me.
Thank You.
Barack Obama (D-IL)
My fellow Identity-Americans.
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for their...
well, support.
Your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any
legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan
and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting
record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of
change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal
behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of
claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is
a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of
me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK
started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped
Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a teenage girl. And I'm not
going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.
And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of
meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the
White House.
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or
achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes
some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.
I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything
because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have
meaning, then that means you have to think about them.
Americans are tired of thinking.
It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart.
So when you go to vote in the primaries, remember don't think, just do.
And do it for me.
Thank You.
Barack Obama (D-IL)
another article that must really **** off the liberals......
HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
' A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. >From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. >From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. >From courage to liberty;
4. >From liberty to abundance;
5. >From abundance to complacency;
6. >From complacency to apathy;
7. >From apathy to dependence;
8. >From dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 resident s in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population alre a dy having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
ps. Most of us grew up with the saying 'history always repeats itself.' The American people really need to think seriously about WHO they will be voting for.
HOW LONG DOES THE USA HAVE?
About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
' A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. >From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. >From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. >From courage to liberty;
4. >From liberty to abundance;
5. >From abundance to complacency;
6. >From complacency to apathy;
7. >From apathy to dependence;
8. >From dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 resident s in counties won by:
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country.
Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population alre a dy having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.
ps. Most of us grew up with the saying 'history always repeats itself.' The American people really need to think seriously about WHO they will be voting for.



