Can a Christian judge a non Christian?
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From: SW AR
Originally Posted by Turbo77
Well, if I believed in Hell I could tell ya. Satan is apart of Christian and Muslim religion. I believe each of us are responsible for our own actions. Evil is a choice, not a birthright. Most Pagans believe those who choose to "do evil" will be punished by karma.
But where a Pagan goes when he/she dies depends on their belief and kindred. Egyptian pagans beleived their heart would be weighed on the scale of judgement. Greeks and Romansbelieved that everyone who died would faces Hades. Some believe in Vallahalla (Nordic Traditions), Avalon (Druids), Summerland (Wicca), or just "the other side".
But where a Pagan goes when he/she dies depends on their belief and kindred. Egyptian pagans beleived their heart would be weighed on the scale of judgement. Greeks and Romansbelieved that everyone who died would faces Hades. Some believe in Vallahalla (Nordic Traditions), Avalon (Druids), Summerland (Wicca), or just "the other side".
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
Oh snap Shiney. I seem to recall you calling me one of those at one point. Keep on Judge Judy.
But he'll claim being a "vessel of the Word", and say SFA misunderstood the Word speaking of misunderstanding...
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Originally Posted by Shinesintx
Thank you guys for pushing me to answer some of your questions. You heathens love to quote Matthew 7:1...“Judge not, that you be not judged". It angers you that I say you will go to hell, and that my Bible tells me that I should not judge you.
Jam 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jam 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Jam 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
Originally Posted by Matthew Henry Commentary
We must not judge of a man’s state by a single act, nor of what he is in himself by what he is to us, because in our own cause we are apt to be partial. We must not judge the hearts of others, nor their intentions, for it is God’s prerogative to try the heart, and we must not step into his throne; nor must we judge of their eternal state, nor call them hypocrites, reprobates, and castaways; that is stretching beyond our line; what have we to do, thus to judge another man’s servant? Counsel him, and help him, but do not judge him.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
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A Pagan in Hell
A Pagan dies and, to his great surprise, he finds himself standing before some pearly gates.
St. Peter asks him, "May I help you?"
The Pagan asks, "Where am I?"
Peter says, "You're at the gates of heaven."
The Pagan says, "But I don't believe in heaven."
Peter frowns at him. "You're one of those Pagans, aren't you?"
"Yes. I believe I'm in the wrong place; I'm supposed to go to Summerland."
Peter says, "Sorry. We took over Summerland, and it's temporarily closed for remodeling."
"What should I do now?"
Peter says, "Well, since we don't allow Pagans in heaven, you have to go to hell.
Sorry. Just follow that path that leads downward and to the left."
The Pagan walks down to hell, where the gates are standing open. He walks in and finds beautiful meadows, happy animals, and clear streams of water.
He walks on in and begins exploring, and after a few minutes a courtly gentleman walks up to him and bows politely.
"Hello, I'm Satan. You must be the guy that St. Peter phoned me about. Are you a Pagan?"
"Yes, I am. What's going to happen now?"
Satan says, "Well, the fishing's pretty good, if you enjoy that sort of thing.
There's a little refreshment stand down the road. And I believe the Pagan meeting grounds are right over the next hill."
Suddenly, a hole opens up in the sky above, and a yawning chasm opens directly underneath it.
The stench of sulfur fills the air. Hundreds of screaming, tortured souls drop down into the flaming pit, which immediately closes up with a thud.
The Pagan, hardly believing what he just saw, asks Satan, "And what was THAT ???"
Satan rolls his eyes. "Oh, just ignore them. They're Christians; they wouldn't have it any other way."
St. Peter asks him, "May I help you?"
The Pagan asks, "Where am I?"
Peter says, "You're at the gates of heaven."
The Pagan says, "But I don't believe in heaven."
Peter frowns at him. "You're one of those Pagans, aren't you?"
"Yes. I believe I'm in the wrong place; I'm supposed to go to Summerland."
Peter says, "Sorry. We took over Summerland, and it's temporarily closed for remodeling."
"What should I do now?"
Peter says, "Well, since we don't allow Pagans in heaven, you have to go to hell.
Sorry. Just follow that path that leads downward and to the left."
The Pagan walks down to hell, where the gates are standing open. He walks in and finds beautiful meadows, happy animals, and clear streams of water.
He walks on in and begins exploring, and after a few minutes a courtly gentleman walks up to him and bows politely.
"Hello, I'm Satan. You must be the guy that St. Peter phoned me about. Are you a Pagan?"
"Yes, I am. What's going to happen now?"
Satan says, "Well, the fishing's pretty good, if you enjoy that sort of thing.
There's a little refreshment stand down the road. And I believe the Pagan meeting grounds are right over the next hill."
Suddenly, a hole opens up in the sky above, and a yawning chasm opens directly underneath it.
The stench of sulfur fills the air. Hundreds of screaming, tortured souls drop down into the flaming pit, which immediately closes up with a thud.
The Pagan, hardly believing what he just saw, asks Satan, "And what was THAT ???"
Satan rolls his eyes. "Oh, just ignore them. They're Christians; they wouldn't have it any other way."
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Originally Posted by Hitched_Gibson
Keep on twisting as you see fit. I've given you reputable commentaries on the subject that you continually ignore. So, I'll post them again for you and the few ignorants that like to stick to your own interpretation. Let's start with another vese for you to twist as you please.
Here's another one Shiney. Let me know how this one fits into your life, if it does.
As I've seen lately, you've failed on both these accounts. Anyone can come to your rescue if they'd like.
I'm sure you'll not respond to half of these, but it's something for you. I'm sure you will, but please tell me what I've twisted too.
Here's another one Shiney. Let me know how this one fits into your life, if it does.
As I've seen lately, you've failed on both these accounts. Anyone can come to your rescue if they'd like.
I'm sure you'll not respond to half of these, but it's something for you. I'm sure you will, but please tell me what I've twisted too.
Without accepting Christ, and believing these words:
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
1 Corinthians 3:11
11 For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew 1:21
21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”
Matthew 10:33
33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven
Matthew 10:40
40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.
Matthew 12:30
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad..
It is a recurring theme, that man must accept Christ, or he goes to hell. You reject Christ if you reject these words. I accept these words as truth. If I accecpt these words, then I can deduce that man goes to hell without Christ. Call it judging...whatever you want. Your commentary that you would like me to read is not the word of God. They are words of man. The reason YOU have gotten away from Christ and accept allah, islam, buddhism, ect. Why would I listen to you?
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Hitched, you are so blinded by your disdain of Gods word, that you cant see the trees through the forest...You quoted
You really think this means not to judge? Are you that blind? What does this sentence mean? "not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way"
I know this, you think you are not judging me...but you are THE STUMBLING BLOCK! I am not, because I quote the way to heaven: Christ! You tell members in this forum that there other ways. You tell them that there other truths. Christ says:
1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
Hitched, You are the liar that denies Christ! Am I judging you? Am I causing anyone to stumble and miss out on accepting Christ? I point out HIS word, the word of God. You (HitchedGibson) say that one can receive salvation through allah
Jesus says "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father"...Pretty sure that Christ was speaking concerning you. I will not judge a brother in Christ...for that is wrong. Judging your actions...pretty elementary, even without all your goofy commentaries. Maybe, the commentary was what got you into trouble into the first place.
I DO NOT want to be accountable on judgement day, when CHrist asks "Why did you not correct Hitched with My word?" I have done it, and the question will not be asked.
Romans 14:13
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.
I know this, you think you are not judging me...but you are THE STUMBLING BLOCK! I am not, because I quote the way to heaven: Christ! You tell members in this forum that there other ways. You tell them that there other truths. Christ says:
1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.
Hitched, You are the liar that denies Christ! Am I judging you? Am I causing anyone to stumble and miss out on accepting Christ? I point out HIS word, the word of God. You (HitchedGibson) say that one can receive salvation through allah
Jesus says "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father"...Pretty sure that Christ was speaking concerning you. I will not judge a brother in Christ...for that is wrong. Judging your actions...pretty elementary, even without all your goofy commentaries. Maybe, the commentary was what got you into trouble into the first place.I DO NOT want to be accountable on judgement day, when CHrist asks "Why did you not correct Hitched with My word?" I have done it, and the question will not be asked.
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From: SW AR
Originally Posted by Turbo77
Care to elaborate?
And if not, where do you think murderers go? Rapists? They all spend eternity the same place as everybody elese?
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Originally Posted by Turbo77
Then the approach Christians take on "spreading the Word" needs to be overhauled. Having someone ridicule or mock me for my beliefs/opinions, then try to "poke fun" at me, then damn me to eternal flame is not gonna show me the way... it's gonna make me laugh at you even harder.
Quoting scripture is also not the way to "convert" someone. Rather than try to overload the subjects brain with verses... befriend them first. Truely and honestly. Otherwise, the plan is doomed from the onset.
Ppl like Shines have a holier than thou attitude based on the fact he THINKS he's doing God's work. But in reality, it is only his place to pass the Word on to others... NOT pass judgement. Because according to him and all the other believers here... that's God's job. If Rapture comes, and God looks down on me... then will I be judged for my Pagan beliefs. Until then, well...
Quoting scripture is also not the way to "convert" someone. Rather than try to overload the subjects brain with verses... befriend them first. Truely and honestly. Otherwise, the plan is doomed from the onset.
Ppl like Shines have a holier than thou attitude based on the fact he THINKS he's doing God's work. But in reality, it is only his place to pass the Word on to others... NOT pass judgement. Because according to him and all the other believers here... that's God's job. If Rapture comes, and God looks down on me... then will I be judged for my Pagan beliefs. Until then, well...
You have very little knowledge of Christian beliefs. You want readers on here to think you've got it figured out, yet you just show your lack knowledge. The bible says to spread the word...preach the gospel. So we do it. You don't want to hear it, don't listen then. You don't want to read it, then go to another thread. Yet your continually drawn to these....
definatley says something about you. If I tell you your going to hell and leave it at that, or hate you because of that, or even not even try to help you to understand, then that would be judging (according to the bible). Do you hate the speed limit signs that tell you how fast your going? You shouldn't it's just staing a fact. You can choose to ignore it, but you will pay the consequences if your caught. Don't hate the one that warns you or trys to explain it to you. Hate the judgement to come if you get caught. And since we all die, we will all get caught.
....and you don't go to hell because of your pagan beliefs, you go because you have to pay the fine for breaking God's law. Christ has offered to pay that fine for you, but to deny Him will cause you to have to pay your own fine.
Turbo, not trying to pick on you, but your posts are more colorful than others and they get my attention.
