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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 07:37 PM
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Belushi, Farley, Hendrix, Van morrison, Truman Copote, Billie Holiday, Janis joplin, and Edgar Allen Poe all crack heads ? ? Might want to use a better choice in words.
If you don't like drugs, don't listen to music or read poetry.
Their popularity and success doesn't diminish their drug addictions. Are you saying all musicians and poets are and were drug addicts? What about the other 99% who did not die of drug overdoses? I'm sure there were plenty that were on drugs, but there were and are plenty who aren't. Don't count me as "surprised" or remourseful when a crack head dies of an overdose!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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They just call it "accidental overdose" to appease the families. He may as well have been committing suicide. What sane peson would take that many pills? An insane one.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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I will guarentee 99% of musicians, poets, song writers, performers, and entertainers have done drugs.
At one point I am sure they had a prescription for a pain killer. I am sure they smoked pot, and inhaled ! And I think it is safe to assume damn near all of them drank alcohol and/or smoked/chewed tobacco. It human nature my friend. What if Edgar Allen Poe couldn't write his poems with out the use of his Absinthe, then we would lose out on some of the most famous and well know poems of all time. What if the Beatles never used drugs ? We may not have rock and roll today, and most likely never would have heard of them. Hendrix could ONLY perform while under the "grip" of LSD.
Did you know all of Sigmund Freud's studies were done while under the influence of cocaine ? His studies (although bizar) paved the way for psychology as we know it.
Sherlock Holmes was also famous for injecting cocaine. I don't think i need to explain everything he contributed.
Drugs are not evil, in fact some are good for you (aspirin, vicadin, valium, Dayquil, Nyquil, marijuana, etc) and some may be harmful to you, but may also allow you to expand you mind and do things you can't sober.
Lastly, I was just sicked with you by calling him a "crack head" . I may be old school, but show some respect for the deceased, show some class. You don't know him, nor do you know his problems/struggles and who are you to judge him as a "crack head" ? With his money, I think its safe to say he never smoked any crack... at least get the terminology right.
 

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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MercedesTech
I will guarentee 99% of musicians, poets, song writers, performers, and entertainers have done drugs.
At one point I am sure they had a prescription for a pain killer. I am sure they smoked pot, and inhaled ! And I think it is safe to assume damn near all of them drank alcohol and/or smoked/chewed tobacco. It human nature my friend. What if Edgar Allen Poe couldn't write his poems with out the use of his Absinthe, then we would lose out on some of the most famous and well know poems of all time. What if the Beatles never used drugs ? We may not have rock and roll today, and most likely never would have heard of them. Hendrix could ONLY perform while under the "grip" of LSD.
Did you know all of Sigmund Freud's studies were done while under the influence of cocaine ? His studies (although bizar) paved the way for psychology as we know it.
Sherlock Holmes was also famous for injecting cocaine. I don't think i need to explain everything he contributed.
Drugs are not evil, in fact some are good for you (aspirin, vicadin, valium, Dayquil, Nyquil, marijuana, etc) and some may be harmful to you, but may also allow you to expand you mind and do things you can't sober.
Lastly, I was just sicked with you by calling him a "crack head" . I may be old school, but show some respect for the deceased, show some class. You don't know him, nor do you know his problems/struggles and who are you to judge him as a "crack head" ? With his money, I think its safe to say he never smoked any crack... at least get the terminology right.
WOW!!!! Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character created by the English writer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You're kidding right? Anyway, you're splitting hairs. I'm sure 99% of celebrities have tried "drugs" since you've classified "drugs" as tobacco, alcohol, etc. Hell caffeine is a drug... I'm talking about abuse. Specifically to a point that you can die. Heath Ledger made poor choices in regards to drugs in his life. Whatever his problems were he was a drug addict just like the crack head on the corner begging for money. It just so happens he was rich and famous. People idolized him. If he were homeless noone would have ever know about his "struggle". Give me a break. I'm glad Sherlock Holmes contributed so much to you... now lay off the drugs and hit the books!!
 
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:51 PM
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have you ever read any Sherlock Holmes ? (i was being sarcastic... I guess online is a bad place for that)

"Sherlock Holmes took his hypodermic syringe from its neat morocco case. With his long, white, nervous fingers he adjusted the delicate needle, and rolled back his left shirt cuff...the sinewy forearm and wrist, all dotted and scarred with innumerable puncture-marks...sank back into the velvet lined armchair with a long sigh of satisfaction." The Sign Of Four

I know... i'm a nerd. But I like the stories.

ok, back to my drug use and hitting my books.


and maybe Heath took too many of a certain combo, not trying to die, just trying to have a nice night. Maybe there was some kind of chemical reaction. Point is, you don't know, your getting the "facts" from the media. Has the actual toxicology report been published ?

Oh, and everyone else I mentioned abused their drug. Didn't just "try" it.
 
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:59 PM
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Speaking of Absinthe it's back on the market in the States. I tried it and it has a pretty strong Black licorice flavor and I believe it's 105 proof. For me the flavor was a little too much, not that I wouldn't drink it if nothing else was around.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:02 AM
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how was the "trip" ? I hve heard the stuff released into the states isn't nearly as strong as over in Europe (Amsterdam). Thats the only place I have dabbled in it... have yet to try it since the re-release here in the US
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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s2krn: Would someone who overdosed on water be a "crack head" ?

What about someone addicted to working out, and they work them selves to death ?

(honestly curious to whatcha think on those cases. and yes, both have happened and no, no sarcasm this time )
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MercedesTech
s2krn: Would someone who overdosed on water be a "crack head" ?

What about someone addicted to working out, and they work them selves to death ?

(honestly curious to whatcha think on those cases. and yes, both have happened and no, no sarcasm this time )
Water is not a drug... Working out is not a drug... anything in excess can kill you. Heath Ledger died from drugs. I'll go one further; the illegal use of drugs. I'm going out on a limb here and saying he wasn't "taking as prescribed". If you overdose on drugs you have a drug problem.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by s2krn
If you overdose on drugs you have a drug problem.
It would only take once to do the trick though.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:39 AM
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We'll never kow for sure. After the first few pills he might have been so whacked out he lost track of what he had taken. From what I've head, this can happen on sleeping pills and other 'downers'. Also, since there is no known suicide note or history of attempted suicide it would seem accidental. No known evidence that he spent his last day arranging his estate, saying goodbyes, etc...

From the news story I saw, he had six drugs in his system. They included the generics for two powerful pain killers (oxycontin was one), two sleeping pills, as well as xanax and valium.

IMO, he was addicted to drugs and was used to mixing them. But he either lost track or was trying to push the envelope. Either way, he was playing with fire but it would stll be considered by most as an accidental death.
I agree with this post. It's also been said, by him, that he wasn't sleeping well during the filming of his last movie. Everything ever mentioned about him that I know of, says what a great guy he was, always upbeat, a good friend, etc.. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. If his death wasn't accidental, then something had to be really bothering him. He was a really good actor just coming into own. I'll miss him on the screen.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 02:51 AM
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It may not be considered a good movie by all, but I will always have a special place in my heart for 10 things I hate about you.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MercedesTech
how was the "trip" ? I hve heard the stuff released into the states isn't nearly as strong as over in Europe (Amsterdam). Thats the only place I have dabbled in it... have yet to try it since the re-release here in the US

the stufff in the US isn't really Absinthe. It's absinthe flavored alcohol. The stuff in Eurpoe is really weak Absinthe.

The Absinthe that Poe and other 18th century artisnas would have taken was so strong it could cause psychotic episodes.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by J-150
the stufff in the US isn't really Absinthe. It's absinthe flavored alcohol. The stuff in Eurpoe is really weak Absinthe.

The Absinthe that Poe and other 18th century artisnas would have taken was so strong it could cause psychotic episodes.
It was on the History channel and one of the current distillers studied the chemistry from samples of the original stuff for their formula. They also said that some of the supposed effects of the old stuff may have been from impurities and improper distillation.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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They just call it "accidental overdose" to appease the families. He may as well have been committing suicide. What sane peson would take that many pills? An insane one.
How many people would decide to commit suicide naked?
 
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