Ya, pretty much sums it up. Maybe Bush could use a few beejers from interns here and there, maybe some weed too.

 

I come to these forums to get away from those topics, thanks for the headache and high blood pressure as I tried to think of something to say to any of it.

Your truck, luminuous... Im going to take a nap now.

 

 

I saw a statistic recently that said the percentage of moonbats has increased dramaticly in this country. In fact it seems plausible that they, through their representatives in the democrat party, will be running the country soon.

We are doomed. Truely doomed!

 

Wittom---long time, no see! How is the plumbing business?

TSC

 

It's been very busy. Thanks for asking!

How about you? How's teaching? Are you able to do any recreational stuff with the seasonable weather we've been having? I'm hoping to get the mountain bike out a few more times this year than last.

 

Old Dogg, you really need to figure out how to use the "quote" button.

And that's a fact.

 

So old dogg.... where are you? Trying to have intelligent polite discussion.. you gave up already?

 

Sorry,
I had family illness/problems and had to take a roadtrip that im just getting back from...
After I take care of a few things I will get back to the discussion...

 

For some reason you seem to think that if you pepper your response with insults it will make your argument more correct/believable when it really shows how ignorant you must be so I will play along with you.
If I were to say because of your 3 grade understanding of economics...if you were any dumber you wouldnt be able to eat or that you seem to have the commn sense of a ligh switch....would it make my points more correct?
By your discussion standards the answer would be yes.

*Anyway if you think its a good comparison that a person making $50k paying 10% in taxes and a person making 200K actually pays 20% in taxes actually represents anything based in reality you really are lost and ignorant.

*If you think that the economics of our country on imports from China (our major importer) work as you stated above you have a very elementary understanding of how import/exports have worked against the US for the last 9 or so years. Your understanding of economics is childlike and simplistic at best and you dont have a real clue.
Did you even finish elementary school?

"Importing stuff does not cause the dollar to deflate, that's a new level of stupid." I dont think I have heard an adult say anything dumber related to the economy in a long time.
Please go learn how to read and understand so you can find a clue to have.

It's obvious you can write but I have to wonder about your reading comprehension skills from your simpleminded ignorant answers.

In summary; Next time you try to have an adult disscussion with adults, dont.

 

No it is really not a fact that you assume I need to figure out how to use something I already know how to use.

The fact would be that I used the quote function in a manner that was hard for you to follow.

It was also a fact that I intentionally bolded my responses to make the post shorter and was in a rush but, I may have responded in a way that was difficult for you to follow so...I will make my post responses differently since it was a problem for you.

 

When I say I observe human behavior what I mean is that I look at what people do (deeds) not what they say. Why doesn’t really matter.

Freethinking means just that. I don’t follow political parties when I decide how I vote. I have voted for republicans as well as democrats. Right now I don’t like either.
Just a few of my liberal ideas…
*I don’t agree with welfare as it has been applied in this country.
*I don’t agree that the government should pay for abortions.
*I don’t agree with illegal immigration.
*I believe in the death penalty.
*I believe in the right to bear arms.
*I believe less government is better than too much control.
*I believe in true democracy of the people, by the people for the people.
Don’t misunderstand how great I think this country is but I think currently there is room for improvement and we don’t have enough history to say much yet in only 400 years or so of existence. As far as civilizations go we are still a baby. The adult will probably not look like the child from what we can see so far. I have traveled all over the world many times and I speak from first hand knowledge. . If some policies don’t change, I fear our greatness and world dominance will not last. All great empires have fallen…most for the same reason….greed and incompetence.
In a true democracy the government represents the people and the majority rules.
In this country today, well funded special interest have more control over the government than the majority because politicians are not accountable to the people that elected them..
Honestly im not sure exactly what we are doing in Iraq today. We do want them to have a democratic government that we don’t even have yet. We are helping them get on their feet to sell us $100 barrels of oil? The reasons we originally went has changed several times and was based on misinformation. If you follow the ORIGINAL reason terrorist attacked the United States it had to do with Saudi Arabia and them viewing us as invaders helping an unpopular dictator government….Like we did in Iran did with the Shah. Originally helping Afghanistan, going after the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were our first objectives. Somehow we didn’t finish in Afghanistan, let the Taliban and Al Qaeda grow and resurge, ignored the problems in Pakistan and went after Iraq and still don’t have bin Laden. Spending Billions per month there while we still have at least 20 million illegal immigrants and more coming thru open borders here daily years after 911?
It would at least make better business sense if we just went over there and took the oil fields over (one of the largest in the world) and pumped our own oil rather than making it safer for oil companies and monarchs (Saudi Arabia) to make more billions off oil to sell us and fund terrorism and terrorist that want to kill Americans. We will be there years waiting for them to get on their feet. When they do it will be another Iran because in a democratic vote they would elect a religious leader like Iran did. So will Saudi Arabia.

 

 

We lowered taxes for large corporations and they employed us less and less, ship tech and jobs overseas more every day. Our economy is changing from a manufacturing based to a service based and we manufacture less and become more dependent. Once we exported more superior American made products than we imported which is was what made this country great and independent. Now we import 80% of our goods and pay others more for less quality at the same time and give them tax breaks and incentives to do more of the same.
I agree that taxes should be spread fairly across the board.
Numbers can be misleading and it can appear that the rich pay more but if you look at a middle class person paying 15% and a corporation and their write off’s they don not pay anything near 15% of their profits. Look at what they make and what they pay not just percentages of where money comes from.
I agree that national security comes first. I also agree that the national infrastructure also comes first and I agree that it is not in the nations interest to be addicted to foreign oil and let that addiction drive international policies. We have a relationship to Arabs like the drug addict has to the drug dealer. We hate them, they don’t like us but we need them more than they need us. Keep watching China if you want to think we will keep a military that is second to none. We are paying for their military buildup and selling them our tech advantage…what we don’t give they steal.
The national guard should be guarding the nation/borders, not fighting in Iraq. We were short of troops and misused them...Then comes Katrina and materials needed and most of Guard in Iraq.
This could be a post by itself but....
Actually oil companies could build more refineries but instead they use the excuse shortage it to jack the price. The only shortage is going to be my money, not oil, not oil profits. When was the last time you saw a gas station out of gas to sell? Look at any oil companies profit last year and look at how much oil is still in the ground.
Oil prices are manipulated. The known supply of it will last for at least 3 decades...but we get gouged now with high prices.
If we spent half as much money on research and alternatives (right now cars run on cooking oil, sugar, corn, soybeans, phone batteries ect.) as we do “protecting our interest” in it we would much more independent as a nation forever. They trained us in the 1970’s to fear oil shortage. Now we will pay anything for no shortage. While oil companies make record profits we give them record tax breaks to reinvest?

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. What I originally said was that he was not a great president. He was good at making people feel good but Reagannomics is a failure. It was a failure then….Pres Bush Sr. called it Voo Doo Economics. Pres Bush Jr is trying to use it again. It didn’t work, It doesn’t work. Most corporations we give tax breaks to eventually export jobs for profit. Most large American corporations have or will move jobs and themselves off shore while we still give them tax breaks to stimulate an economy that is now based on mostly imports. They don’t reinvest in jobs or any salaries except for CEO’s and stock holders.
There are just as many stats to disprove your points as there are to prove mine.
We see US economics differently. I will read and research more but I lived during that time also. I voted for Reagan both times…I know for a fact he lied to the military (me) and made promises he didn’t keep and that didn’t make us feel good. He will be remembered by many as the President who promoted corporate welfare on the back of taxpayers. I don’t think Pres Clinton was worse. I do think Pres Bush Jr has been worse for the country and the world than Pres Clinton.
I tried briefly explain the negatives of deficits and the national debt. You think differently…time will tell.
Factually speaking, God does not protect the innocent. I don’t second guess his reasons because I don’t really know but just because others say they do know why doesn’t make what they think or say facts either.
Point of fact is that there is only faith and beliefs.
We come close to agreement but, just as I don’t think it’s the governments business to take our money to help other people, that goes for the rich as well as the poor. The difference is that on one hand you help innocent children and on the other hand you help people with my money that don’t really need my help make more money and give back nothing.
I agree with your statement but it goes for everyone including corporations that don’t need help. If the government insist on helping people, help those with the greatest NEED…To help profitable businesses that rip off the taxpayer, ship jobs overseas, or hire illegal immigrants to make more money is just as wrong as giving undeserved benefits to adults just because they made babies they cant afford to take care of.
Mommy government needs to take the titty out of all the adults mouths.