For the newbies fin the forum, and for those who missed it (somehow), franko is our resident liberal.

That said, I would love to know where your statistics come from...that's just assanine. Do I see your point that if an officer screws up it is in their favor to cover it up? Of course. But a the same time they are highly trained professionals and they are for the most part (By a VAST majority) extremely good people who truly protect and serve. This is Russia, this is America, our police exist for our protection, not our elimination.

Will mistakes happen? Are they human? Of course.

But don't eve try and claim that somehow these low lifes and gangsters getting killed by cops are victims...please

 

If anyone points a gun at me, I'm hittin' the dirt.

 

Lumadar,
Are you actually going to dispute the fact that the Police machine tries to protect itself? Or that there is a general understanding between many Police to protect each other against outsiders? Or that there is a huge history of Police corruption in this country? Or that this corruption would not be inclusive of unjustifiable homicide?

My words merely reflect the reality of what frequently occurs. In addition to reading a lot of books (over 200) on Police cases I have had friends who were Police. One had told me “Franko I want to shoot someone with my Shotgun four times……that will make it all worthwhile” He did go on to shoot someone.

In addition I have witnessed many local cases where it appeared the Police made a wrong decision and then did their best, with support from the media and political machine, to mitigate the circumstances to their favor regardless of the facts. One local officer shot a 90lb woman who was barricaded in an aisle of a grocery store with a knife (I believe it as a pocket knife) and killed her. The laughable typical pro Police newspaper headline read "Experts agree Police had no choice" Yeah pro establishment "experts" whom the paper hand picked for their expected comments.

Another local Cop shot a man in a mental home who had a small piece of metal tube who witnessed claimed was no threat. There was anther local case of a deaf man who was cooking dinner and when the Police kicked in the door he turned with a kitchen knife in his had and they killed him.

Then of course we have the cases such as the one in Seattle, I believe, where they executed a drug warrant and shot the guy who had a TV clicker in his hand. Hell you know how many Police are involved in drug related corruption?

There was the case in California where they executed a drug warrant, on very bad information, and the home owner had a heart attack. It turned out the Police wanted to confiscate his land. But I digress from unjustifiable homicide. There are many more cases similar to the aforementioned anecdotal ones. And, of course, these pale in comparison to the volume of incidents where the truth was never uncovered because no one from outside the Police department actively took an interest in what occured to the point of digging for the truth.

If a liberal is someone who believes that the Police are not above the law, then yes, I guess I am one.

 

It's a choice. Law or lawlessness. I choose Law.

 

Khiel Coppin's brother Joel Coppin spoke briefly with reporters saying, "We want justice." Justice was served


"The boy didn't have no gun, he had a brush on him," said Andre Wildman
Those are my favorite quotes from that article, as for the content if someone is rushing you with what you believe to be a gun i dont see why you wouldnt be justified in using deadly force. what is it they say hindsight is 20/20. you can argue all you want that he didnt have a gun but at the time it was believed he did

 

The officers will probably get paid leave, come back, welcomed by their fellow brothers at the PD ..

 

so you talk to alot of people.. big f'ing deal. you RESEARCH it. kinda reminds me of the army. a general telling a private how to do their job. you wanna tell someone how to do it, you freaking get in their and get some experience, and yea, i'll listen.

sigh pitiful. people like you will only know what you're told.

i bet people like you is the reason we keep inmates on death row their whole life...

while it is your right to have your own opinion, it's also my right to fully tell you that i believe your opinion is the reason the country is the way it is right now....

wanna get rid of bad cops? anyone thought of maybe this one little thing....

payraise?

this should open some good replies lol

and btw, i'm sure killing someone has crossed alot of minds, although many won't believe it.

after you do, EVEN when it's self defense.

how the F*CK are the police going to know the guy is deaf? you think they have the time to RESEARCH people when they get a tip they have to act on? people like you just make me want to throw my hands in the air and say f it. you heard that little saying: can't make everyone happy?

guess what, you're that everyone.

done.

 

liberals just don't get it

 

wrong!

 

Are you drunk or just otherwise incapable of forming an intelligent response to my post?

Perhaps you did not matriculate beyond the ninth grade, or worse, never had the aptitude to begin with?

Yes talking to people and conducting research is the method that many people take to gain knowledge of a subject. By intimating that this approach is without merit, unless you are a Cop in this instance, is preposterous as saying you can not clearly judge the acts of a criminal unless you are one.

As for the death penalty you are correct I am against it. But not for the simple minded reason you apparently believe. Like many things in life the subject is much more complex than it appears. But, I’m sure; you have never studied this subject either. I believe that most of the people on death row deserve to get the penalty, however, it is so arbitrarily and capriciously administered that I can not support it.

First if you are wealthy, or have political connections, you have a slim to none chance of getting the death penalty. Second if you are first to make a deal, even if you culpable in the crime, you may avoid the penalty while your co-conspirator(s) receive the penalty. Third if you remove due process you will without doubt be executing a lot more people who are actually innocent. And if you don’t think there are innocent people convicted of capital crimes you are wrong. There are a lot of cases where someone who has been convicted was actually innocent and I don’t mean innocent by way of some technicality I mean they did not commit the crime.

As for the Cop who shot a deaf Grandfather, who had committed no crime, he is a yellow POS who probably won’t say Boo to anyone without his gun and badge to hide behind.


Am I against giving Police pay raises? No.
Do I believe Police are necessary? Yes.
Do I believe that most Police do a good job? Yes
Do I believe that bad Police should be held accountable? Yes

 

side discussion:
we spend all of this money on putting people to death.
Why not a shot gun blast to the back of the head?
I know it sounds nasty, but pretty painless. Painless as it gets, as opposed to electrocuting people, hanging, or lethal injection.

 

Raoul's " brush of death ".

 

Sounds like the kid got exactly what he asked for, the police did the right thing IMHO.

 

Only once in my life have I had a police officer point a gun at me. That's because when he walked up to the window he saw a bb gun on the seat (we were just kids). He and his partner drew very very fast and told me and my buddy to keep our hands where they could see them and get out slowly. Believe me, I never moved so slow in my life. This happened in downtown Houston well over 20 years ago. We ended up kidding around with the cops on the way to the jailhouse and then spent a few hours in the drunk tank.
I hope it never happens again but if it ever does, believe me I will still listen when they tell me to do something.

 

no, i'm a college educated (electrical engineering) blue collar, deer killing, 4 wheeling, hard working redneck. i got the education and decided i couldn't sit behind a desk all my life and watch people protect me, so i joined the army. call me brainwashed whatever, but i've been to the edge of life and looked over.

tell me this. you never answered my question. have you been in the situation.
have you ever shot at someone to kill them to protect yourself? keep reading your books, i'm just going off of experience and training.

how is anyone supposed to know he's deaf?

obvisouly you've never been part of ****** and grab or under the radar op.

keep criticizing the cops and what's happening in iraq is going to be happening here. you're going to have cops that are supposed to protect you too scared of the repricusions of making a mistake to do anything. life isn't pretty and clean.

is there anyone with experience besides me that can post up? what about the guys that's been over in iraq?

Drunk? no. i quit drinking BEFORE i went over. we can argue about this for days, but in the end, you will still be trying to call the shots on something you read and have no actual knowledge on how it works.