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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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Plug in mr. GM CEO into the moving assembly line and see how many quality vehicles he builds in comparisan to the number of employees it takes to add up to his outrageous salary. I bet the company goes under quick, fast, and in a hurry then, without a doubt.
Funny, the Detroit News and Free Press strike comes to mind. Management took over all day-to-day operations to keep things going, found out how easy it was and just how overpaid the union dolts were and guess what? Nobody that struck got their job back, the paper survied and flourished.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:22 PM
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Plug in mr. GM CEO into the moving assembly line and see how many quality vehicles he builds in comparisan to the number of employees it takes to add up to his outrageous salary. I bet the company goes under quick, fast, and in a hurry then, without a doubt.
Plug Mr. Joe from hubcap assembly into the CEO's position I wonder how long it would last. I bet the company would last alot longer with the CEO on the line that the other way around, they don't get paid that much just for the fun of it, there are things you need to go to school for and train for in that position to do it correctly.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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On the news just now, one poor CAW employee got laid off today because of the UAW strike which he supports, but he's ok because after his couple weeks of 65% salary from GM ends, he can go on unemployment after that and maintain his 65% for quite awhile. So NOW I WILL BE PAYING THIS SOB because of the union. F*CK the auto unions. How about you quit, and get another job with all your skills if your company is treating you so badly. Oh, I forgot, you are entitled to that job.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Plug Mr. Joe from hubcap assembly into the CEO's position I wonder how long it would last. I bet the company would last alot longer with the CEO on the line that the other way around, they don't get paid that much just for the fun of it, there are things you need to go to school for and train for in that position to do it correctly.
The number of Mr. Joe Hubcaps that it takes to equal one Mr. CEO as far as salary is concerned, I'd bet the company would excell.

Bresides, Mr. CEO can't deal with dirt under his manacured fingernails.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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Assembly isn't a skilled trade. They're working with a known product and a set blueprint; they get parts out of bin "A," install them into slots "B" and "C" and secure them with bolt "D." Doesn't matter what manufacturer it is.

Calling an assembly job a skilled trade is akin to calling the kid at McDonald's putting your Big Mac together an engineer.

edited to change auto worker to assembly
That's so not true. So an auto repair man shoukld be lumped into the same category, as should a fighter jet manufacturer. They do the same thing.
 

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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:39 PM
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I'm in a union (District 751 IAM Seattle aeromachinists)
And proud to be so, some say the unions have had their time.
They have only established the 8 hr work day, overtime for weekends, health benefits, retirement, 401k etc...
Do you realize that non-union people benefited from what the unions in this country fought for?
Thanks to those original Unions we now have fair labor laws to protect the worker without having to pay union dues to an organization that can hold a company hostage when ever it wishes to get pay for people that are in a pool waiting to work the way the current unions do
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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It's like the college educated are oppressing those who don't have a college degree. A form of discrimination if you ask me.
He has a name. It's Darwin. How is it the colleges fault that you decided not to get an education? Bad grades? Couldn't spell your name correctly on the FASFA? What stopped anybody from going to college? Where there's a will therre's a way.

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It's all about the almighty dollar. Those that make 7+ figures in upper management do not deserve their money. Those who do the blue collar jobs and build the cars and trucks work hard to earn their keep. They deserve their pay. Plug in mr. GM CEO into the moving assembly line and see how many quality vehicles he builds in comparisan to the number of employees it takes to add up to his outrageous salary. I bet the company goes under quick, fast, and in a hurry then, without a doubt.
Those that make the 7 figure incomes are the ones who helped create and sustain an industry that would support those incomes, not the guy operating the air ratchet... He couldn't spell his name correctly the first time, what makes you think he can budget? Saying any number of blue collar workers could do the CEO's job is like asking how many First graders would it take to ace the SAT's? Apples and Oranges.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Thanks to those original Unions we now have fair labor laws to protect the worker without having to pay union dues to an organization that can hold a company hostage when ever it wishes to get pay for people that are in a pool waiting to work the way the current unions do
That's a false statement, purely opinionated.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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He has a name. It's Darwin. How is it the colleges fault that you decided not to get an education? Bad grades? Couldn't spell your name correctly on the FASFA? What stopped anybody from going to college? Where there's a will therre's a way.



Those that make the 7 figure incomes are the ones who helped create and sustain an industry that would support those incomes, not the guy operating the air ratchet... He couldn't spell his name correctly the first time, what makes you think he can budget? Saying any number of blue collar workers could do the CEO's job is like asking how many First graders would it take to ace the SAT's? Apples and Oranges.
If it weren't for the workers on the bottom doing their jobs the guys at the top wouldn't have a pot to **** in.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Sorry Stealth, Assembly is assembly.


It doesnt matter if your building a cruise missle or a pink lawn flamingo.

Its still an assembly position.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:50 PM
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If it weren't for the workers on the bottom doing their jobs the guys at the top wouldn't have a pot to **** in.

It's the other way around. If you didn't have innovators creating jobs, there would be no need for workers. An idea only travels as far assomebody takes it. You can create a car, but can you market it and explain to Joe Schmoe why he needs to buy YOUR truck? Can you convince investors that you have enough intelligence to carry the idea into future profitability? Do you know how to transfer debt to an asset by creating bonds, ABS, financing?

If not Blue, then who?
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth
That's so not true. So an auto repair man shoukld be lumped into the same category, as should a fighter jet manufacturer. They do the same thing.
Edit - Wait. "Auto repair man" and "fighter jet manufacturer" are two different things. I'm talking automotive assembler and fighter jet assembler. The men and women who repair both have skilled jobs - it's a little different to go through the miles of wiring and conduit in an automobile, or go through the systems of a modern fighter plane, to troubleshoot and repair a problem, than it is to draw parts from bins and put them together on queue.
 

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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth
The number of Mr. Joe Hubcaps that it takes to equal one Mr. CEO as far as salary is concerned, I'd bet the company would excell.

Bresides, Mr. CEO can't deal with dirt under his manacured fingernails.
Not that his choices determine of the company is in business tomorrow or not. He more than likely decided at a young age that he would like to be in a upper management position and did it. I don't see a reason to penalize him for it.

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That's so not true. So an auto repair man shoukld be lumped into the same category
Hardly, diagonosing and correctly fixing a problem not always a cut and dry process.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth
That's a false statement, purely opinionated.
I consider going on strike and preventing a company from doing business the same as taking it hostage. Opinion yes. Pool workers are documented fact.
Labor laws are also fact. I do thank the early unions for helping get those law enacted but now unions are no longer needed. If you like working for one I have no problem with that. I would not.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Quintin
Edit - Wait. "Auto repair man" and "fighter jet manufacturer" are two different things. I'm talking automotive assembler and fighter jet assembler. The men and women who repair both have skilled jobs - it's a little different to go through the miles of wiring and conduit in an automobile, or go through the systems of a modern fighter plane, to troubleshoot and repair a problem, than it is to draw parts from bins and put them together on queue.
I would imagine changing the oil in a Ford Escort is a step by step process. You do it the same every time. Right?? Get oil filter off work table that the service manager looked up and put there, install it after draining old oil, fill up with new oil from oil gun next to you, move on to next vehicle. Not much skill required there I guess.
 
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