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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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There are terrorists here (the US) too. People who don't thin k there aren't any here are on something. We need to fight terrorists as well as terrorism, whether here or abroad.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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Ahh Wittom, Still believing Iraq had anthing to do with the 9/11 terrorists...

Sadly, Al Quada WASN'T in Iraq Before we invaded. Yea, we're fighting "some" there, as well as the 7 different factions all fighting for power in their Civil War.

I'm not for a 100% pull out. Let's set up a nice secure base and Air Strip. Let some "Firm" targets appear, then we can wipe them out. Plus we can keep a nice close eye on Iran...
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Ahh Wittom, Still believing Iraq had anthing to do with the 9/11 terrorists...

Sadly, Al Quada WASN'T in Iraq Before we invaded. Yea, we're fighting "some" there, as well as the 7 different factions all fighting for power in their Civil War.

I'm not for a 100% pull out. Let's set up a nice secure base and Air Strip. Let some "Firm" targets appear, then we can wipe them out. Plus we can keep a nice close eye on Iran...
Sadly, Al Qaeda is everywhere, and they were in Iraq before we were.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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...only because we basically created them

we funded them in their beginning.

our bad, yeah, but if we lef them the hell alone they might do the same
Dwelling on mistakes is no answer. Fixing the problem is the answer. And we didn't create their twisted belief system.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Dwelling on mistakes is no answer. Fixing the problem is the answer. And we didn't create their twisted belief system.
And we're NEVER going to change it either... 500 Billion dollars could have gone a Long way in protecting/Sealing off our borders and beefing up security in our Airports, Ports, etc....

As well as Catching Osama Bin Laden, the REAL person behind 9/11. I still get pissed off everytime I think how that guy is still running around.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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If you forget the past you're doomed to repeat it

I think a large part of their hatred is because we're involved there. I'm pretty sure I'd hate having people occupying my country and forcing foreign values on me. They're just finally fed up with our military presence and liberal human rights brainwashing....they want their lives back without our disgusting influence (we are a pretty immoral disgusting society)
You guys forget 9/11 or something? They (islamic assclowns) have hated us far long before we got in Afganistan or Iraq. Those islamic assclowns have been hating everyone not like them for all eternity.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
I mean going back decades.
I'm not talkin the crusades(even though as I understand it the persian empire? tried to overtake the world first)...I mean WWII and whatnot.
Our oil company presence, creating Israel(that wasnt too brilliant), military bases, pre-khomeini Iran and what not. we've been pretty involved there
Good. They need to be kept in line.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:40 PM
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kept in line with our 'human rights' groups too?
You're missing the point. When we had a handle on those scumbags things were fine. Those so called human rights groups everybody's equal crap led to us loosening our grip. Lose your grip on something and things will slip away.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:50 PM
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Well speaking as a soldier involved directly with the fight there is one thing that makes me continue with the fight.

We can either fight them there or over here, the bad guys go for the "soft targets" like civilians and especially those who can't defend themselves like children. They don't care about politics or who they hurt, the Geneva convention is just words to them so you have to fight them on their level.

Once we get the local population sick of looking at them the sooner we can pull out of either war zone. Canada is involved in Afghanistan, we don't have the resources to tackle both zones, if we did we would I'm sure..

Two things a soldier is trained not to discuss or idealize-religion and politics because every battle and war ever fought by man has started from these two things...
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
why did we need a handle on them? i'm not a world history buff, but were they ever really a threat to us til post ww2 or so?
They have been a problem since Biblical times.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth
There are terrorists here (the US) too. People who don't thin k there aren't any here are on something. We need to fight terrorists as well as terrorism, whether here or abroad.
Exactly. I am more afraid of the small cells that exist here---and obviously other countries. I do not feel, though, that Iraq was the den of terrorism that we were led to believe. I guess we should fight them the same way that they want to get to us---with steath and silence. (No pun inteneded.)

One other point: while we are dealing with Iraq, are we possibly adding more fuel to the fire with other Islamic terrorist groups? I feel that we were sold a bill of goods on Iraq---the admin was much less than truthful in its depiction of the terrorist level of threats there.

I agree that we need to fight them "there" before they get "here." But is Iraq really "there"?

Yep, we dismantled the regime, and now we must be there for a long, long time; but one more question: How does one go about re-assembling a country that does not wish to be re-assembled?

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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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but between the end of the crusades/persian empire till ww2 wasnt it fairly tempered?
No it wasn't. Do some research.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2007 | 10:45 PM
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but between the end of the crusades/persian empire till ww2 wasnt it fairly tempered?
Why do you think Columbus was seeking an alternative route to the Far East? Muslim raiders along the trade routes was a huge part of it.
 
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 12:44 AM
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Why do you think Columbus was seeking an alternative route to the Far East? Muslim raiders along the trade routes was a huge part of it.
Like these.
 
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Old Jul 15, 2007 | 10:44 AM
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I'm not in the military. This person is though.

Originally Posted by Paratrooper
Well speaking as a soldier involved directly with the fight there is one thing that makes me continue with the fight.

We can either fight them there or over here, the bad guys go for the "soft targets" like civilians and especially those who can't defend themselves like children. They don't care about politics or who they hurt, the Geneva convention is just words to them so you have to fight them on their level.

Once we get the local population sick of looking at them the sooner we can pull out of either war zone. Canada is involved in Afghanistan, we don't have the resources to tackle both zones, if we did we would I'm sure..

Two things a soldier is trained not to discuss or idealize-religion and politics because every battle and war ever fought by man has started from these two things...
These comments make sense to me. I think too many people in this country try to look at the perspective of the terrorists through American eyes. Not unlike the way we try to understand how animals think, by comparing them to humans. It's just niave.

I don't understand the need people seem to have to villify us, the American people, for "making" terrorists hate and kill us. You have no pride in the fact that you live in the best country in the world? You don't think it's the best country in the world? Were do you think it is then?

Pacifism gets us killed. People seem to have forgotten what terrorists did to this country on September eleventh, two thousand and one. I don't believe that Saddam or Iraq was involved in the attacks that day, contrary to what one person here thinks. I do believe that terrorists had a safe haven in Iraq. I don't for a second think that Bin Laden was the only one involved. You think that we can capture or kill one guy and then the threat is gone? Is that what you think?

I'm sorry that it's become popular to hate this great country of ours. I'm sorry that people feel it necessary to highlight errors that have been made by leaders in this country and ignore any and all progress that has been made,as well as ignore the errors that have been made by countries around the world. I'm sorry people think that we aren't a great country and feel that we should surrender to an enemy that isn't fighting a war by rules like we do. Our surrender is their sign to ramp up their efforts. You, the people of this country, want to be part of the nation of Islam?

All this defection is a huge dissapointment to me. I've finally realized how great this country is. I've finally realized that I'm damn proud to be a part. I'm proud of our military and of the people who believe that our country can be a positive example for emerging democracies around the world. These defectors believe that they are doing something good. I can see no other result than weakening our country.

Surrender and pacifism will not appease the terrorists. Being on the offence will show them that we aren't weak.
 
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