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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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How so? Even though the trips are not as long, for some. They are many. I'd bet one year of farmer/rancher towing is comparable to three years RV towing.

I've had 21,000 lbs on the receiver of a Superduty, this was w/o any brakes on the tanks. Pull tanks to town, weigh, go fill, weigh and take them back to the field. Usually 3 trips a day. Round trip minimum 20 miles. If this isn't hard on the Drivetrain I don't know what is. I'm just glad I got to use his automatic 6.0, instead of the 460 5-sp (last year the clutch was taken out due to slipping to start out smoothly).
The difference is having to get up to speed, and maintaining speed up hills. Around the yard and fields how fast you go really doesnt matter.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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The difference is having to get up to speed, and maintaining speed up hills. Around the yard and fields how fast you go really doesnt matter.
You are clueless as to what farmer/ranchers tow aren't you. 500 bushel gravity wagons to town, 30 ft flatbed with 18 bales on it, 20-30 ft stock trailers. These are just pulled around the yard . I don't know very many that only pull heavy trailers around the yard, most pulls are a minimum of 5 miles. There are many that pull over 100 miles a shot. Ever pulled some hills where 1st gear is max with your foot on the floor? Get real man. figure it out, even duallies are overloaded according to towing guidelines. This has been done for years so even look back to the older pickups carbeurated engines.

500 bushel gravity wagon 50 lbs a bushel = 25,000 plus weight of wagon.

18 bales x 1500lbs a bale = 27,000 plus trailer weight

20 ft stock 10 cows at 1100lbs= 11,000 plus trailer weight

24 ft stock 13 cows at 1100lbs = 14,300 plus trailer weight

30 ft stock 16 cows 17,600lbs plugs trailer weight

www.btandf.com

Take a look at the axle placement of stock, and flatbed trailers, tell the there isn't any more stress on the back of pickups, compared to RV's.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jorlee
You are clueless as to what farmer/ranchers tow aren't you. 500 bushel gravity wagons to town, 30 ft flatbed with 18 bales on it, 20-30 ft stock trailers. These are just pulled around the yard . I don't know very many that only pull heavy trailers around the yard, most pulls are a minimum of 5 miles. There are many that pull over 100 miles a shot. Ever pulled some hills where 1st gear is max with your foot on the floor? Get real man. figure it out, even duallies are overloaded according to towing guidelines. This has been done for years so even look back to the older pickups carbeurated engines.

500 bushel gravity wagon 50 lbs a bushel = 25,000 plus weight of wagon.

18 bales x 1500lbs a bale = 27,000 plus trailer weight

20 ft stock 10 cows at 1100lbs= 11,000 plus trailer weight

24 ft stock 13 cows at 1100lbs = 14,300 plus trailer weight

30 ft stock 16 cows 17,600lbs plugs trailer weight

www.btandf.com

Take a look at the axle placement of stock, and flatbed trailers, tell the there isn't any more stress on the back of pickups, compared to RV's.
Ya, guess I never knew my grandpa hauled cattle, horses and bails around with his 70's 1-ton Chev with a carbed 350 and four speed low. Sure, the truck would go up hill. But maxed out in first isnt exactly moving you too fast now is it?

The point they were trying to make is a run into town or even 100 miles is not the same as driving on interstates where the speed limit is only suggested and being stuck in low gear going up-hill is dangerous for everyone.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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In my opinion the major factor that limits towing amounts is driver ability/experience. I know there are a couple of other truck drivers in here. You give me an aging rig at 80K lbs and give a rookie a new high horsepower rig at 60K lbs and I'll pass them going up a grade, go slower down a grade without starting a fire, and get better mileage doing it.

Its when you get Mr. Drive a Focus all my life then buy an F150 and an RV and kill themselves or destroy the truck then complain all day long on how crappy the truck is.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:00 PM
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After rereading my rant . What jbporter said is what I meant to say right away, with out my jibberish.

Just putting farm, and highway capability in the same sentence set me off. Sorry about the off topic rant. I guess I am kinda secluded being 10 minutes from SD, and 40 from MT. The middle of nowhere, with major traffic being a ways away.

 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jbporter
In my opinion the major factor that limits towing amounts is driver ability/experience. I know there are a couple of other truck drivers in here. You give me an aging rig at 80K lbs and give a rookie a new high horsepower rig at 60K lbs and I'll pass them going up a grade, go slower down a grade without starting a fire, and get better mileage doing it.

Its when you get Mr. Drive a Focus all my life then buy an F150 and an RV and kill themselves or destroy the truck then complain all day long on how crappy the truck is.
Thats about it. The ones that kill themselves are the retards who go out and buy a brand new truck and start hauling the 5th wheel with the speedboat hooked to the trailer, and then cant figure out why they couldnt stop. ( Ya, I actually saw it being attempted with a Chev 1500, the whole mess was in a ditch)
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jorlee
After rereading my rant . What jbporter said is what I meant to say right away, with out my jibberish.

Just putting farm, and highway capability in the same sentence set me off. Sorry about the off topic rant. I guess I am kinda secluded being 10 minutes from SD, and 40 from MT. The middle of nowhere, with major traffic being a ways away.

Its all good
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Wheres Chester when we need him?
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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I dunno but our 150's (3 of them) get the **** pulled outta them. Always at or over the max weight. They do fine. Could use more power but hey, what COULDNT use more power???
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jbporter
In my opinion the major factor that limits towing amounts is driver ability/experience. I know there are a couple of other truck drivers in here. You give me an aging rig at 80K lbs and give a rookie a new high horsepower rig at 60K lbs and I'll pass them going up a grade, go slower down a grade without starting a fire, and get better mileage doing it.

Its when you get Mr. Drive a Focus all my life then buy an F150 and an RV and kill themselves or destroy the truck then complain all day long on how crappy the truck is.
If you dont have the power needed, I dont care how good of a driver you are, your not gonna get up that grade. Im not talking about minor grades here, Im talking pretty steep. I also dont think you can compare driving a rig to an F150. Obviously there is much more skilled required to drive a rig, where as an F150, well you have 4 gears and OD is about useless...that makes it pretty simple. I mean as long as you can maintain speed you'll be ok. The problem is when you hit long steep grades where the force of gravity is greater than your upward momentum and upward force(power).

Sandusky OH, thats about as flat as it gets up there, no wonder you dont have any issues towing...

J/K, I spent last winter up that way, all those fields look start to look the same after awhile.
 
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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If you dont have the power needed, I dont care how good of a driver you are, your not gonna get up that grade. Im not talking about minor grades here, Im talking pretty steep. I also dont think you can compare driving a rig to an F150. Obviously there is much more skilled required to drive a rig, where as an F150, well you have 4 gears and OD is about useless...that makes it pretty simple. I mean as long as you can maintain speed you'll be ok. The problem is when you hit long steep grades where the force of gravity is greater than your upward momentum and upward force(power).

Sandusky OH, thats about as flat as it gets up there, no wonder you dont have any issues towing...

J/K, I spent last winter up that way, all those fields look start to look the same after awhile.
Part of experience is knowing the limits of your truck.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Lariat
Part of experience is knowing the limits of your truck.
Indeed, and the person who owns an F-150, (Silverado 1500, Ram 1500, Tundra, Titan, etc..) should know better than to latch 11,000 - 25,000 lbs on the back of it, and hit the road... Especially a highway. Personally, I don't want to have anything I'm paying the note on, having to work at Max capacity... If I need to tow 11,000 routinely, I'd have something that can handle 15,000 - 18,000 lbs (F-350, duallie, diesel.) Keeping a vehicle at max means it's going to break on you, sonner than later.

Now if it's a country area, like where I grew up, US Highway 65, where its 2-lane black top from Wisconsin to Clayton, LA where it goes 4-lane to Natchez, MS with shallow curves, and the most insignificant of hills reside. You may get away with towing that much weight, at 40 MPH for 60 miles or more...

While I;m not saying such a feat that's well beyond the factory specs isn't impressive, it's not the same as Making that left turn off 65 in Tallulah, LA and trying to merge onto Interstate 20, where the minimum speed limit is 45, and the max is 70, and maintain that speed, with the load... That's when the difference becomes evident.

You need to be able to stop, start, merge and maneuver with a trailer... For that, you need s good idea of what your truck can do, and how confident you are...
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 01:02 AM
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While being able to move the load is one thing, as has already been mentioned stopping it is quite another. The scariest moment of my life so far was the first time I hooked my almost 6000lb camper to my hitch and hit the highway, about a half hour from our campground I had a deer jump in front of me. Getting the truck moving at 60 MPH was a chore, getting from 60 to 0 was something else altogether. The brake controller and electric brakes saved my hide that day (and the deer's)!
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 01:30 AM
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Is there a speedlimit in the US/Canada for cars/trucks pulling trailers?

Max. speed here is 80 km per hour.(+- 50 mph)
 
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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 05:57 AM
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