Survival of the Fittest..What did Darwin really mean?

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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 12:40 PM
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Way to kill a perfectly good thread........ We were having fun pondering our own thoughts and theroies....

LOL...

A lot of folks, for decades, have taken Darwin's words and made them have their own meanings. Not having read about Darwin for myself, I jumped on the bandwagon along with everyone else- thinking "only the strong survive". I thought this way until I had to take an Ecology class.

Very interesting, but, because I had watched so many specials on National Geographic, Discovery, etc.. A lot of what we discussed was not news, except for Darwin... I also learned most of the world's oxygen comes from the ocean... I thought it mostly came from the world's plant life as we'd been taught in Biology- not about where it comes from, but that humans exhale carbon dioxide, which plants need, and plants give off oxygen, which animals need.

I just figured it was a mutually beneficial, reciprocal loop. Plants help, but it's the algae on the ocean that creats the most oxygen.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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When Darwin made the statement about survival of the fittest, it had very little to do with finding a suitable mate- and more to do with seeing how species were able to overcome catastrophe's taking place in their ecological environment.
I kinda agree with you...
Darwin preached natural selection as the process by which the stronger survive, and stronger was considered in terms of adaptability. He believed that animals will/can adapt to their environment and changing threats, and those that adapted best would survive.

Darwin's theory is built completely out of the concept of natural selection; I don't think Darwin actually talked about "survival of the fittest," I think that was a paraphrase for natural selection used later on. I don't remember anything about speed of procreation being overly significant. Maybe I'm forgetting something, where did you learn this take on Darwin's theories?
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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LOL...

A lot of folks, for decades, have taken Darwin's words and made them have their own meanings. Not having read about Darwin for myself, I jumped on the bandwagon along with everyone else- thinking "only the strong survive". I thought this way until I had to take an Ecology class.

Very interesting, but, because I had watched so many specials on National Geographic, Discovery, etc.. A lot of what we discussed was not news, except for Darwin... I also learned most of the world's oxygen comes from the ocean... I thought it mostly came from the world's plant life as we'd been taught in Biology- not about where it comes from, but that humans exhale carbon dioxide, which plants need, and plants give off oxygen, which animals need.

I just figured it was a mutually beneficial, reciprocal loop. Plants help, but it's the algae on the ocean that creats the most oxygen.

It may not be new but we atleast like to feel smart discusing something of some signifigance......

Beats the political and religious threads......

Ussually when I want to have an intelegent converstaion i have to talk to myself!
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 12:47 PM
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Humans ignore this theory by the way...

Look at all the weak and stupid that reproduce.....

 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by carolinaboy
I kinda agree with you...
Darwin preached natural selection as the process by which the stronger survive, and stronger was considered in terms of adaptability. He believed that animals will/can adapt to their environment and changing threats, and those that adapted best would survive.

Darwin's theory is built completely out of the concept of natural selection; I don't think Darwin actually talked about "survival of the fittest," I think that was a paraphrase for natural selection used later on. I don't remember anything about speed of procreation being overly significant. Maybe I'm forgetting something, where did you learn this take on Darwin's theories?

SCI1027, Ecology, College.
PhD. Professor (I forget his name).

We were discussing his 5-year voyage on the Beagle, and that's when it came up. Even though that statement "Survival of the fittest" is commonly attributed to Darwin, those weren't his words- that was a paraphrasing of the sentiment of his notes that has lasted over a century.
 

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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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I'd like to see your professor's syllabus, I'm curious about the context he's using Darwin's theory in. If you'll tell me the name of the college, I can probably find one online.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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I'd like to see your professor's syllabus, I'm curious about the context he's using Darwin's theory in. If you'll tell me the name of the college, I can probably find one online.

Amberton University

www.amberton.edu

I'll do you one better- here's the syllabus: ftp://amberton.edu/syllabus/under/SCI1027.e1.htm
Different Professor from when I took it, but roughly the same material though...

When I took it, in addition to the syllabus material, a book by Aldo Leopold called "A Sand County Almanac" was also required reading, and testable.
 

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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vader716
Humans ignore this theory by the way...

Look at all the weak and stupid that reproduce.....
Take the warning stickers off and watch the beauty of natural selection unfold
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
It may not be new but we atleast like to feel smart discusing something of some signifigance......

Beats the political and religious threads......

Ussually when I want to have an intelegent converstaion i have to talk to myself!
I can't believe this hasn't turned into a religious debate already. Personal beliefs aside, I'm glad we can have "intelegent converstaion" time to time without getting down each others throats. Let's keep it that way.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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first of all, being a Methodist, I believe that Darwin is full of crap.

My belief from his "Survival of the Fittest" theroy revolves around the "caveman with the biggest club" story. I could be wrong but thats what I got out of it.
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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PSS-mag,

You are WAY off. Many men look for something that is simply breathing to "breed" with, and then move on...
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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PSS-mag,

You are WAY off. Many men look for something that is simply breathing to "breed" with, and then move on...
For some thats not even a requirment....
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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For some thats not even a requirment....
Kind of like when them type walk into a house the fish stop swimming...
 
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Old Feb 23, 2007 | 11:19 PM
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Kind of like when them type walk into a house the fish stop swimming...


and the dogs and cats run off to hide with the mice.
 
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