Night at the range with the M&P

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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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yeah, that's the thing about the kel-tec. I don't really go to many places I would need a bigger gun, although I have a .357 Mag in the truck, but to carry, the .380 is in my front pocket most of the time, and you'd never know it!
120 days is ridiculous! What could possibly take that long to check? If I can get all your personal info. off the computer in 1 afternoon, how come the gov. can't?
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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Having to actually qualify to carry a concealed weapon is one of the BEST ideas I have ever heard of! Thorough background checks are important, but I also feel the ability of that individual to show proficiency with that weapon is just as important.

Nice gun you purchased by the way, I like the look of them. Although I prefer to carry a .40 (Sig P226), it looks as though you are accurate enough with the 9 to eliminate a threat efficiently and quickly.

Be safe out there!
I'm torn on this subject - I think it is a good idea to take a class and have to qualify; however, I don't think it should be required. I also know what are forefathers meant by, "this right shall not be infringed."

Aricle I, Section 32 of the State of Indiana says the right to bear arms for "the defense of state and the person" is protected. I don't believe I should have to go through the hassle of applying for a permit to carry a handgun (in Indiana, it doesn't have to be concealed). LOL - Indiana laws say I can carry a loaded shotgun in my vehicle w/ out a permit, except during hunting season!

I've considered adding one of the new Keltec 9mm to the collection - it's the same size as the .380 and .32 - but I my Tauras PT-111 (compact 9mm), Taurus 617 (snubby .357), or S&W 457 (compact .45) are easily enough concealed for now...
 

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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 10:26 PM
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"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
- Pennsylvania Constitution, Section 21

But in this state you can open carry without a permit (except in Philly you need the CCW to open carry)

All states should be like Alaska and Vermont. no permit for concealed carry.

i cant complain too much though, PA has some of the best gun laws of any state.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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I think qualifying is BS. its saying that if you don't score a certain amount of points then you cant carry a weapon to defend your of your family's life. Personal responsibility is what should be used. if you decide to carry then YOU should learn how to use your weapon. but if a little old lady wants to carry a .38 snub then she shouldn't be disallowed because she cant get the score. now if she accidentally shoots someone then she should be held accountable.
I agree. Besides, most of the qualifying courses of fire I've heard of are a waste of time. Engage like a B27 silhouette at 10' out, must score 5 out of 10 hits in the black or something goofy like that. The target's so big, and the distance so short, you can about scream at it and rip the paper.

In Georgia, I went to down to the probate court, filled out the paperwork, got fingerprinted and paid the fees, and two months later I had a carry permit.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by lees99f150
"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."
- Pennsylvania Constitution, Section 21

But in this state you can open carry without a permit (except in Philly you need the CCW to open carry)

All states should be like Alaska and Vermont. no permit for concealed carry.

i cant complain too much though, PA has some of the best gun laws of any state.

Does your county have the ID cards or just the slip of paper? Warren County still has the notarized slip of paper. One of my friends lives in Beaver County and they have the picture ID card. I agree, PA is CCW friendly (mostly).
 
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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its just like a drivers license. the paper one used to be standard and this one was optional and cost extra. i think its the only one you can get now now.
 
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 12:12 AM
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Indy has a little pink piece of paper you have to sign, then they recommend getting it laminated.
 
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