Now, for my friends who support no smoking in eating establishments may I ask a fair question and hope to receive a “consistent” answer?

I agree to no smoking in eating establishments because it makes for a better experience, and as with you non-smokers, I just don’t like the smell and that’s what this is really about.

So, my question, and I would expect 100% support from you is this:

Can we ban perfume and cologne from eating establishments? There are some perfumes and colognes that smell like some kind of animal urine and make me feel sick? The other issue is some people just bath in it which leads to my next question.

Can we have some kind of smell test, perhaps a machine one passes through? This would allow those people who do not stink and bath to enter while turning away those who do NOT and are absolutely disgusting. Just don’t get the stinky people to much, maybe because some of them bath in perfume and cologne.

Could we also NOT allow those who may pass a stink test but look like they need a shower to NOT enter as they to are very disgusting people?

And for God’s sake can we please pass a law that states all steak places must smell like beef and anyone smelling like a got damn 2 week old catch from the deep sea must be denied entry and informed to head to a seafood place?

So, are you with me or against me? Let’s not forget this is your time to show how consistent you are with your values and decisions…

 

I just wanted to get clarification on the above comments. When you suggest a drinker, someone eating fast food not affecting anyone is that just while they are eating or drinking?

In other words I understand the argument that if I was in a small room with 3 people, 1 drinking, 1 eating a Big Mac, and me smoking that I would be affecting all of them and none of them would be affecting me?

If that is the case then I agree. However, after the fact, I may have affected them for a short amount of time but once we all get up and leave the drinker has a very high chance at affecting others as does the fast food eater.

Even 1 drink for many people can affect other innocent people driving on the road. The person eating fast food could possible have an affect on many people by having our taxes rise to assist the fat people who have guns to their heads while having Big Mac's forced feed down their chubby necks…

So, while you are absolutely correct I would be affecting them with my smoke in a room they would actually have more affect on the general population then I could ever dream of having…

 

Your welcome and I actually think my good friend Raoul would be proud. I havn't used the phrase "weak minded" one time, yet...

 

This is an interesting comment. You say if he doesn't like the ban or what is going on around him then move. Yet you think people should change to meet your needs. If a restaurant allows smoking go somewhere else or move.

I liken this to the people who complain that McDs doesn't serve healthy food and that they should change their menu to fit their needs.
Bull crap, people know what they serve, if you don't like it then go somewhere else.

Now, I am a smoker and do what I can not to offend people that don't but, I enjoy sitting in a restaurant and having a smoke. I always sit in the smoking area and do not smoke in the non-smoking.
With that said, why when I am sitting in the smoking area do I have non-smokers asking me not to smoke. Sorry, why did you park your **** in the smoking section.

As for the person who likes the idea of charging smokers a sin tax. Just wait, its only a matter of time until your chips and Twinkies get taxed up the wazoo too, and I bet people will be beetchin up a storm.
Detroit already tried to tax fast food and so many people complained the they repealed the tax within a week of implementing it.

As far as I am concerned, if a business wants to having smoking, fine, don't go there if you don't like it. If they don't allow smoking, I can choose to eat there or not. Government should not be involved in this issue.


Sled...

 

curious if those who believe second hand smoke is not dangerous, should people have the right to smoke on planes or should the government continue to enforce a ban on private businesses (airlines) and keep smoking off planes???

Like I stated earlier, it IS a health issue and the government has the right to keep its citizens safe.
You cannot take pets into restaurants because it is a health issue. The government doesn't say you cannot own pets, just don't let those pets infringe on other peoples lives. Kinda like pooper scooper laws. If your dog craps in my yard, ie. infringes upon my life, the law says you have to pick it up. The government does have the right to tell people, business owners etc. what is considered right and what is considered wrong. So all of those who say the government doesn't have the right to tell business owners what to do.
Next time you go out to eat think about all the ways the government keeps you safe with health inspection laws.

 

I agree with you!
I cannot stand lazy smokers that think the world is their ashtray. Littering is illegal and just plain ignorant. Butts are not biodegradable. Neither are lottery scratch tickets.

As far as smoking goes, I believe that as long as it is legal to smoke cigarettes, smokers have the right to do it. I understand it is not a "constitutional right" but that is just semantics.
However just like any legal activity there are restrictions placed on all of them. A legally licensed driver must drive on the designated roadways not across the lawns in their neighborhood.

I agree that it should be up to the owner of the establishment to set the rules but using 01's numbers what restaurant owner would chose to only cater to the 25% that smoked? Not a big money maker but if that was their choice the government should stay out of it. Most restaurant owners would prefer the 75% that don't and the few smokers that can wait until they are finished their meal to have their cig in their car.

 

Since when, that's BS...

 

You think it's bad now, wait till the democrats take over in january. Their social agendas don't just include smoking.

 

Whew, what a read...

I have smoked most my life almost 25 years with 15 years of abstinence, the last 12 years free. I do enjoy a smoke free restraunt as the premises smells better, as does the air.

Unless I missed it no one has brought the health risks of the people who work at and or own these busines's. Northern Norm mentioned the waitress that died from second hand smoke induced cancer. The local (Canadian) workers comp. was behind the smoking ban in all business including restraunts and bars. I was pissed that a government provided insurance corp. dictated laws and could prosecute those who violated the new labour laws. ( intersting way around the criminal act).


With further pondering the money spent on increased health costs and lost productivity have also not been addressed by anyone here.


As with obesity and smoking related illness's there is a collective economic impact that is small with the individual but as an industrial society the cost is tangable. Smokers miss more days from work than nonsmokers but that could be that most heavy drinkers are also smokers, and that could scew the numbers.
I run construction crews and those guys do smoke during the work day. I can attest that the smoker works 1/2 hour less in an eight hour day because of his habit. Just taking a smoke break, or he walks around for 5 minutes trying to find a match or borrow a smoke......

It is well known that smokers in their older age use the health care more with their related cardiovascular diseases that are caused by smoking. This drives up the cost of health insurance for everyone, resulting in less spending money and a direct negative reflection on the economy.
-unless- they die before their triple heart by pass surgery and the replaced hip sockets, then they will save the medical insurance money.


just my 2 cents.

 

Well see who gets the last laugh, soon enough all the smokers will have to loose a lung or two, go bald from cancer treaments, get breather tubes inserted through there necks so they can breathe, etc.. We'll see who's in trouble then when you can barely udder your words and have to cover up that hole in your neck everytime you go out in the rain.

We have a swimming teacher that sounds like a freaking duck qaucking when he talks. Its udderly hilarious! He had a lung or two removed and had throat cancer. And yet everyday after school, what do we see him doing? Yes, smoking! What a loser

 

Ahhh, he would have had ONE lung removed otherwise he would be DEAD...

And you call him loser...

 

lolz. I dont remember right, maybe he has an artificial one if that even exsists. haha

 

Smoking is a great way to cleanse the "Gene Pool".If you haven't figured out that its' bad for you and those around you well then there is not much else to say

 

WTF?

 

It needs to be banned in the resturaunt and within 50' of all entrances of such places. I don't want to smell your smoke.

Since coming to California I have enjoyed smoke free environments. One the reasons I just don't like going to Vegas or other states that allow smoking in public eateries or other such places. If you want to smoke fine, just do it where you are not infringing upon others right to fresh air. Like in your car with the windows rolled up.