Smoking in Restaurants
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I don't smoke and I prefer to eat my meal without smoke wafting in my face. Does that mean I think they should ban smoking in restaurants? No, I think it should be a decision left up to the restaurant owners. However they should provide a smoke free area for those who don't want to smell the smoke. Smoking in restaurants has been banned for several years here in Washington and I have to say it really doesn't bother me that I can enjoy a meal without the smoke. Washington state recently banned smoking in bars as well, everyone said businesses would fail, guess what, didn't happen. Smokers, like the rest of us, are resilient and adaptable to their environment.
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OK, so here we go again with the dumbest debate ever. The smoking ****'s never say a word about......
The nasty carpet and uph.
the tons and tons of used bubble gum stuck under the table
the restrooms that are overflowing and haven't been cleaned for days
the ****roaches in the walk in cooler
the manager that sent rufus the dishwasher up to the Piggly Wiggly for more ground beef
the waitress that doesn't want to be there, and yacks something lovely in you soup
the dishwasher that's picking his nose while he is washing your coffee cup.
the grease trap that hasn't been pumped out and is about to overflow.
the roof leak that went on for months and months causing some nasty mold to form on the acoustic ceiling tiles righ about your plate.
I can think of a dozen more
Then, there is the risk involved in getting there.
Traffic jams
Accident risks from the countless idiot drivers you will pass en route.
weather conditions
mechanical trouble.
etc.
After all of this, you'd think that people would be a little more insightful. Instead they are worried about a puff of smoke. Narrow minded people care only about the three feet around them and say ridiculous things like "I can't taste my chicken fingers because of your smoke" I say, "good, your chicken fingers probably hit the floor in route to your plate, you don't want to taste them"
Ok, now let's apply some actual reason to this instead of selfish preference weather you smoke or not.
1) Before these laws went in to effect, many national chains had a no smoking policy, some of them differed state to state but for the most part you could not smoke at any fast food restaurants for the past several years. Here in Florida you couldn't for the past ten years or so. This was the choice of the chains, not the government.
2) There were many other places were the ind. managers and or owners had banned smoking, it was their choice. Smokers ate there and respected that choice if they wanted to eat there.
3) These silly laws have now prevented truckers from smoking at a Waffle House. That's why people went to Waffle House! to smoke and drink coffee. Come on, do you ever see the Brady Bunch at a Waffle House eating a T-Bone for dinner? Although maybe they should, since you can actually see the kitchen there and you might actally see little miss PMS spit a hocker in your coffee. You also don't see semi's parked outside of Applebee's. Free enterprise had already governed where smoking should and shouldn't be permitted. Now Ned Flanders can eat at McDonald's or a strip club without breathing smoke, even though he may consume at least one pubic hair at either place.
4) The cleanest and best place to eat is your house, that is until government gets so big that it affects your house. Serves you right, you allowed it. But for now, your house, your laws.
5) Not all restaurants are dirty
6) not all deaths are caused by dreaded second hand smoke
7) previous to this post, Vader had the best post in this thread.
Now that I am done ranting
I'll head to the local smoke free restaurant and have......
The "catch of the month" fish sandwich served with
overcooked french fries prepared in week old grease that have been sitting under a heat lamp for 30 minutes and ...
Salmonella cole slaw
I'll wash it down with some "we ran out of sweet tea and I am too lazy to make more so here is a glass of bitter old unsweet tea with ten packets of sugar in it, you're too stupid to know the difference and if you do, I'll bring you a glass of iced dishwater"
But........thank God they passed a law that forbids smoking. Now I'll surely live to be 100.
The nasty carpet and uph.
the tons and tons of used bubble gum stuck under the table
the restrooms that are overflowing and haven't been cleaned for days
the ****roaches in the walk in cooler
the manager that sent rufus the dishwasher up to the Piggly Wiggly for more ground beef
the waitress that doesn't want to be there, and yacks something lovely in you soup
the dishwasher that's picking his nose while he is washing your coffee cup.
the grease trap that hasn't been pumped out and is about to overflow.
the roof leak that went on for months and months causing some nasty mold to form on the acoustic ceiling tiles righ about your plate.
I can think of a dozen more
Then, there is the risk involved in getting there.
Traffic jams
Accident risks from the countless idiot drivers you will pass en route.
weather conditions
mechanical trouble.
etc.
After all of this, you'd think that people would be a little more insightful. Instead they are worried about a puff of smoke. Narrow minded people care only about the three feet around them and say ridiculous things like "I can't taste my chicken fingers because of your smoke" I say, "good, your chicken fingers probably hit the floor in route to your plate, you don't want to taste them"
Ok, now let's apply some actual reason to this instead of selfish preference weather you smoke or not.
1) Before these laws went in to effect, many national chains had a no smoking policy, some of them differed state to state but for the most part you could not smoke at any fast food restaurants for the past several years. Here in Florida you couldn't for the past ten years or so. This was the choice of the chains, not the government.
2) There were many other places were the ind. managers and or owners had banned smoking, it was their choice. Smokers ate there and respected that choice if they wanted to eat there.
3) These silly laws have now prevented truckers from smoking at a Waffle House. That's why people went to Waffle House! to smoke and drink coffee. Come on, do you ever see the Brady Bunch at a Waffle House eating a T-Bone for dinner? Although maybe they should, since you can actually see the kitchen there and you might actally see little miss PMS spit a hocker in your coffee. You also don't see semi's parked outside of Applebee's. Free enterprise had already governed where smoking should and shouldn't be permitted. Now Ned Flanders can eat at McDonald's or a strip club without breathing smoke, even though he may consume at least one pubic hair at either place.
4) The cleanest and best place to eat is your house, that is until government gets so big that it affects your house. Serves you right, you allowed it. But for now, your house, your laws.
5) Not all restaurants are dirty
6) not all deaths are caused by dreaded second hand smoke
7) previous to this post, Vader had the best post in this thread.
Now that I am done ranting
I'll head to the local smoke free restaurant and have......
The "catch of the month" fish sandwich served with
overcooked french fries prepared in week old grease that have been sitting under a heat lamp for 30 minutes and ...
Salmonella cole slaw
I'll wash it down with some "we ran out of sweet tea and I am too lazy to make more so here is a glass of bitter old unsweet tea with ten packets of sugar in it, you're too stupid to know the difference and if you do, I'll bring you a glass of iced dishwater"
But........thank God they passed a law that forbids smoking. Now I'll surely live to be 100.
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Originally Posted by seacrow
OK, so here we go again with the dumbest debate ever. The smoking ****'s never say a word about......
The nasty carpet and uph.
the tons and tons of used bubble gum stuck under the table
the restrooms that are overflowing and haven't been cleaned for days
the ****roaches in the walk in cooler
the manager that sent rufus the dishwasher up to the Piggly Wiggly for more ground beef
the waitress that doesn't want to be there, and yacks something lovely in you soup
the dishwasher that's picking his nose while he is washing your coffee cup.
the grease trap that hasn't been pumped out and is about to overflow.
the roof leak that went on for months and months causing some nasty mold to form on the acoustic ceiling tiles righ about your plate.
I can think of a dozen more
Then, there is the risk involved in getting there.
Traffic jams
Accident risks from the countless idiot drivers you will pass en route.
weather conditions
mechanical trouble.
etc.
After all of this, you'd think that people would be a little more insightful. Instead they are worried about a puff of smoke. Narrow minded people care only about the three feet around them and say ridiculous things like "I can't taste my chicken fingers because of your smoke" I say, "good, your chicken fingers probably hit the floor in route to your plate, you don't want to taste them"
Ok, now let's apply some actual reason to this instead of selfish preference weather you smoke or not.
1) Before these laws went in to effect, many national chains had a no smoking policy, some of them differed state to state but for the most part you could not smoke at any fast food restaurants for the past several years. Here in Florida you couldn't for the past ten years or so. This was the choice of the chains, not the government.
2) There were many other places were the ind. managers and or owners had banned smoking, it was their choice. Smokers ate there and respected that choice if they wanted to eat there.
3) These silly laws have now prevented truckers from smoking at a Waffle House. That's why people went to Waffle House! to smoke and drink coffee. Come on, do you ever see the Brady Bunch at a Waffle House eating a T-Bone for dinner? Although maybe they should, since you can actually see the kitchen there and you might actally see little miss PMS spit a hocker in your coffee. You also don't see semi's parked outside of Applebee's. Free enterprise had already governed where smoking should and shouldn't be permitted. Now Ned Flanders can eat at McDonald's or a strip club without breathing smoke, even though he may consume at least one pubic hair at either place.
4) The cleanest and best place to eat is your house, that is until government gets so big that it affects your house. Serves you right, you allowed it. But for now, your house, your laws.
5) Not all restaurants are dirty
6) not all deaths are caused by dreaded second hand smoke
7) previous to this post, Vader had the best post in this thread.
Now that I am done ranting
I'll head to the local smoke free restaurant and have......
The "catch of the month" fish sandwich served with
overcooked french fries prepared in week old grease that have been sitting under a heat lamp for 30 minutes and ...
Salmonella cole slaw
I'll wash it down with some "we ran out of sweet tea and I am too lazy to make more so here is a glass of bitter old unsweet tea with ten packets of sugar in it, you're too stupid to know the difference and if you do, I'll bring you a glass of iced dishwater"
But........thank God they passed a law that forbids smoking. Now I'll surely live to be 100.
The nasty carpet and uph.
the tons and tons of used bubble gum stuck under the table
the restrooms that are overflowing and haven't been cleaned for days
the ****roaches in the walk in cooler
the manager that sent rufus the dishwasher up to the Piggly Wiggly for more ground beef
the waitress that doesn't want to be there, and yacks something lovely in you soup
the dishwasher that's picking his nose while he is washing your coffee cup.
the grease trap that hasn't been pumped out and is about to overflow.
the roof leak that went on for months and months causing some nasty mold to form on the acoustic ceiling tiles righ about your plate.
I can think of a dozen more
Then, there is the risk involved in getting there.
Traffic jams
Accident risks from the countless idiot drivers you will pass en route.
weather conditions
mechanical trouble.
etc.
After all of this, you'd think that people would be a little more insightful. Instead they are worried about a puff of smoke. Narrow minded people care only about the three feet around them and say ridiculous things like "I can't taste my chicken fingers because of your smoke" I say, "good, your chicken fingers probably hit the floor in route to your plate, you don't want to taste them"
Ok, now let's apply some actual reason to this instead of selfish preference weather you smoke or not.
1) Before these laws went in to effect, many national chains had a no smoking policy, some of them differed state to state but for the most part you could not smoke at any fast food restaurants for the past several years. Here in Florida you couldn't for the past ten years or so. This was the choice of the chains, not the government.
2) There were many other places were the ind. managers and or owners had banned smoking, it was their choice. Smokers ate there and respected that choice if they wanted to eat there.
3) These silly laws have now prevented truckers from smoking at a Waffle House. That's why people went to Waffle House! to smoke and drink coffee. Come on, do you ever see the Brady Bunch at a Waffle House eating a T-Bone for dinner? Although maybe they should, since you can actually see the kitchen there and you might actally see little miss PMS spit a hocker in your coffee. You also don't see semi's parked outside of Applebee's. Free enterprise had already governed where smoking should and shouldn't be permitted. Now Ned Flanders can eat at McDonald's or a strip club without breathing smoke, even though he may consume at least one pubic hair at either place.
4) The cleanest and best place to eat is your house, that is until government gets so big that it affects your house. Serves you right, you allowed it. But for now, your house, your laws.
5) Not all restaurants are dirty
6) not all deaths are caused by dreaded second hand smoke
7) previous to this post, Vader had the best post in this thread.
Now that I am done ranting
I'll head to the local smoke free restaurant and have......
The "catch of the month" fish sandwich served with
overcooked french fries prepared in week old grease that have been sitting under a heat lamp for 30 minutes and ...
Salmonella cole slaw
I'll wash it down with some "we ran out of sweet tea and I am too lazy to make more so here is a glass of bitter old unsweet tea with ten packets of sugar in it, you're too stupid to know the difference and if you do, I'll bring you a glass of iced dishwater"
But........thank God they passed a law that forbids smoking. Now I'll surely live to be 100.
The fact that smokers get offended that non smokers don't want to suck in the stuff is what has me perplexed.
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Originally Posted by RED WING NUT
WTH does any of this have to do with the fact that non smokers DON'T WANT TO SUCK IN SMOKE. To me it has nothing to do with health risks. I don't like sucking in the stinking stuff. Pointing out all the 'health hazards' you did doesn't change that.
The fact that smokers get offended that non smokers don't want to suck in the stuff is what has me perplexed.
The fact that smokers get offended that non smokers don't want to suck in the stuff is what has me perplexed.
I don’t believe you to be one of these whiners and I have no problem and see nothing wrong with those who smoke or do not smoke NOT wanting to smell someone else’s smoking for what ever reason.
The problem is when you get turds that whine about smokers are disgusting etc. They haven’t a clue what they are talking about there your typical followers who hear one liners and then like parakeets repeat what they have heard NEVER bothering to think for themselves what they are talking about and then comparing it logically to other issues around them such as cell phone users yakking and driving etc.
As I said I see nothing wrong and even though I smoke I agree that in a dining place I do not want to smell other peoples smoke either.
Here is the biggest problem with many non-smokers and that is they fly off the handle about smoking being disgusting and how they have a “right” to breath clean air, and a right to this, a right to that etc.
Well, here is a news flash, a non-smoker does not have a right to be in smoke free areas, or breath clean air, as well as a smoker does not have a right to smoke where they please. It’s funny when people are always whining about all these “rights” they have but I have yet to see any of them appear in the U.S. Constitution…
In public places there are not really any rights for non-smokers and clean air, or smokers and smoking where they wish.
Second hand smoke presents very little to any health issues to others, there’s no proof of a health hazard just speculations and myths like global warming being blamed on humans. If one researches the internet they will find information about the health issues of cell phones used by those driving automobiles, people eating while driving, putting on make-up while driving etc. All those have proof to back them up and have caused more deaths then second hand smoke.
If people are “truly” worried about their health they should stay home in their oxygen bubble with controlled atmosphere because there are many more health issues, serious health issues, people face everyday and second hand smoke is NOT one of them…
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I teach speech and debate---and the argument that Seacrow put forth is termed a "red herring." It is designed to get you off topic. In reality,the topic here is smoking in restaurants; not the inherent risks in getting there---the traffic jams, the mechanical problems, the weather conditions, or even the pubic hair. Seacrow's arguments have nothing to do with smoking or not smoking in a restaurant.
Smokers are not disgusting---but I find what they do to be rather insidious.
Here are some interesting research points about secondhand smoke:
The Risks of Second Hand Smoke to a Child
Low birthweight for gestational age
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)- children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy have an increased risk of SIDS.
The EPA estimates that passive smoking is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 of these infections in children under 18 months annually
Asthma - According to the EPA, between 200,000 and 1,000,000 kids with asthma have their condition worsened by second hand smoke every year. Also, passive smoking may also be responsible for thousands of new cases of asthma every year
Chronic respiratory symptoms such as cough and wheezing may be attributed to second hand smoke.
Children who breathe in second hand smoke are more likely to suffer from dental cavities, eye and nose irritation, and irritability
Middle ear infections - exposure to ETS causes buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits yearly
Second Hand Smoke and Children
Second Hand Smoke at Home Threatens Children
How Second Hand Smoke Can Affect the Heart
Heart disease mortality - an estimated 35,000 to 62,000 deaths are caused from heart disease in people who are not current smokers, but who are exposed to ETS
Acute and chronic coronary heart disease
Passive smoking has been linked to the narrowing of the carotid arteries, which carry blood to the brain
Exposure to second hand smoke hastens hardening of the arteries, a condition known as artherosclerosis
Continual exposure to ETS has been shown to nearly double the chance of heart attack
Second Hand Smoke - Worse Than We Thought
Second hand smoke is serious business, and should be a concern for anyone who breathes it in. Non-smokers inhaling second hand smoke share some of the health risks smokers face. But smokers do face the worst of it - the risks of smoking are compounded by breathing the smoke in for a second time.
Don't underestimate the dangers of ETS. While second hand smoke may not kill as many people as smoking does, it is toxic and claims thousands of lives every year around the world.
References:
Mayo Clinic
The Environmental Protection Agency(EPA)
The National Cancer Institute(NCI)
The American Heart Association
Updated: May 25, 2006
Now,I am not an expert,but I do think the people at the Mayo CLinic,one of the world's most prestigious health care facilities, are. And they just ain't blowin' smoke.
Tim C.
Smokers are not disgusting---but I find what they do to be rather insidious.
Here are some interesting research points about secondhand smoke:
The Risks of Second Hand Smoke to a Child
Low birthweight for gestational age
Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)- children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy have an increased risk of SIDS.
The EPA estimates that passive smoking is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 of these infections in children under 18 months annually
Asthma - According to the EPA, between 200,000 and 1,000,000 kids with asthma have their condition worsened by second hand smoke every year. Also, passive smoking may also be responsible for thousands of new cases of asthma every year
Chronic respiratory symptoms such as cough and wheezing may be attributed to second hand smoke.
Children who breathe in second hand smoke are more likely to suffer from dental cavities, eye and nose irritation, and irritability
Middle ear infections - exposure to ETS causes buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits yearly
Second Hand Smoke and Children
Second Hand Smoke at Home Threatens Children
How Second Hand Smoke Can Affect the Heart
Heart disease mortality - an estimated 35,000 to 62,000 deaths are caused from heart disease in people who are not current smokers, but who are exposed to ETS
Acute and chronic coronary heart disease
Passive smoking has been linked to the narrowing of the carotid arteries, which carry blood to the brain
Exposure to second hand smoke hastens hardening of the arteries, a condition known as artherosclerosis
Continual exposure to ETS has been shown to nearly double the chance of heart attack
Second Hand Smoke - Worse Than We Thought
Second hand smoke is serious business, and should be a concern for anyone who breathes it in. Non-smokers inhaling second hand smoke share some of the health risks smokers face. But smokers do face the worst of it - the risks of smoking are compounded by breathing the smoke in for a second time.
Don't underestimate the dangers of ETS. While second hand smoke may not kill as many people as smoking does, it is toxic and claims thousands of lives every year around the world.
References:
Mayo Clinic
The Environmental Protection Agency(EPA)
The National Cancer Institute(NCI)
The American Heart Association
Updated: May 25, 2006
Now,I am not an expert,but I do think the people at the Mayo CLinic,one of the world's most prestigious health care facilities, are. And they just ain't blowin' smoke.
Tim C.
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01 XLT sport nailed it.
"Parakeets" is the perfect term.
What I am trying to say, in a nutshell, most non-smokers are so determined not to smell smoke that they defend their personal preferences with mostly exaggerated health risks. All I am doing is calling your bluff. Don't insult my intelligence with that crap. If you're gonna talk about the health risks at a restaurant then lets talk about all of them. Not just the contrived, tangible ones that personally psychologically affect your taste buds.
I just find it amusing that everyone makes a big "Stink"
about smoking in restaurants when someone maybe pissing in the pudding the whole time. If you walked in to the kitchens of many places you eat "smoke free" you'd probably leave.
I am not defending smoking in restaurants, I am defending what little common sense is left in this country these days.
As a former smoker I am ashamed that I even parttook of such a nasty habit. I am glad that people can't smoke in restaurants anymore, except for the poor truckers at Waffle House.
To me, this issue is the equivalent to hanging an air freshener at the landfill. I guess the landfill would be healthier if it doesn't stink. Yeah, let's pass a law.
"Parakeets" is the perfect term.
What I am trying to say, in a nutshell, most non-smokers are so determined not to smell smoke that they defend their personal preferences with mostly exaggerated health risks. All I am doing is calling your bluff. Don't insult my intelligence with that crap. If you're gonna talk about the health risks at a restaurant then lets talk about all of them. Not just the contrived, tangible ones that personally psychologically affect your taste buds.
I just find it amusing that everyone makes a big "Stink"
about smoking in restaurants when someone maybe pissing in the pudding the whole time. If you walked in to the kitchens of many places you eat "smoke free" you'd probably leave. I am not defending smoking in restaurants, I am defending what little common sense is left in this country these days.
As a former smoker I am ashamed that I even parttook of such a nasty habit. I am glad that people can't smoke in restaurants anymore, except for the poor truckers at Waffle House.
To me, this issue is the equivalent to hanging an air freshener at the landfill. I guess the landfill would be healthier if it doesn't stink. Yeah, let's pass a law.
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Sanitation in Restaurants
http://www.restaurantreport.com/feat...anitation.html
ETS links....
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/helena.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html
referee54 I "googled" debating online and apparently online debating is exempt from traditional debating rules and terminology.
http://www.restaurantreport.com/feat...anitation.html
ETS links....
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/helena.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html
referee54 I "googled" debating online and apparently online debating is exempt from traditional debating rules and terminology.
Last edited by seacrow; Nov 23, 2006 at 11:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by seacrow
Sanitation in Restaurants
http://www.restaurantreport.com/feat...anitation.html
ETS links....
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/helena.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html
referee54 I "googled" debating online and apparently online debating is exempt from traditional debating rules and terminology.
http://www.restaurantreport.com/feat...anitation.html
ETS links....
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/who.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/helena.html
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/banlinks.html
referee54 I "googled" debating online and apparently online debating is exempt from traditional debating rules and terminology.
Nice argument.
Last edited by RED WING NUT; Nov 23, 2006 at 05:02 PM.
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The anti-smoking zealots are obviously not business owners or accept personal responsibility.
How people have the audacity to tell privately owned businesses what to do is amazing.
If you don't like smoke don't go there.
Is that a difficult concept?
You know caffeine is bad for you...I think there should be a coffee/soda ban as caffeine has been proven to raise blood pressure and cause heart attacks and strokes.
How people have the audacity to tell privately owned businesses what to do is amazing.
If you don't like smoke don't go there.
Is that a difficult concept?
You know caffeine is bad for you...I think there should be a coffee/soda ban as caffeine has been proven to raise blood pressure and cause heart attacks and strokes.
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IN NJ we have the smoking ban and I love it. I can go out to the bar and not come home smelling like an ashtry. I go to school in PA and when I leave the bars, I can smell it all over me and hate it... I love the smoking ban and hope it goes nation wide. In NJ, many places have inclosed areas off the side of the buildings that people can go smoke it and they are out of the wind.
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Originally Posted by vader716
You know caffeine is bad for you...I think there should be a coffee/soda ban as caffeine has been proven to raise blood pressure and cause heart attacks and strokes.
BTW---in every jurisdiction where the laws were passed to regulate smoking in businesses, everybody said, "Well all of joints will go under!" Didn't happen, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by referee54
There is a difference; you may choose to drink the cola/caffeinated beverage--that is indeed your option. I, however, do not have a choice as to whether or not I breathe in your exhaled smoke. Drink all the coffee you want---just hold your breath while you do it.
BTW---in every jurisdiction where the laws were passed to regulate smoking in businesses, everybody said, "Well all of joints will go under!" Didn't happen, plain and simple.
Tim C.
BTW---in every jurisdiction where the laws were passed to regulate smoking in businesses, everybody said, "Well all of joints will go under!" Didn't happen, plain and simple.
Tim C.
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I can choose restaurants as I wish too---same as you. I simply choose to have concerns about my health---and the health of my family---that may be affected by "smokers' rights." Since there are certainly more non-smokers than smokers, you too, may opt out of going to the resaurant.
You may inhale all of the cigarette smoke you want---just do not exhale.
Tim C.
You may inhale all of the cigarette smoke you want---just do not exhale.
Tim C.
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Originally Posted by referee54
I can choose restaurants as I wish too---same as you. I simply choose to have concerns about my health---and the health of my family---that may be affected by "smokers' rights." Since there are certainly more non-smokers than smokers, you too, may opt out of going to the resaurant.
You may inhale all of the cigarette smoke you want---just do not exhale.
Tim C.
You may inhale all of the cigarette smoke you want---just do not exhale.
Tim C.
You may choose your restaurant and I may choose mine. Perfect.
Now tell me again why government needs to choose for us?