Not really. The D.C. "sniper" proved that point. 1 round 1 kill until they got sloppy. Personally I think the kid took those shots.

I don't keep statistics on peopel malisciously wounding others with vehicles, vehicular homicide and the like.

Anyone that is so inclined. It's not that hard to do and we have seen several cases in the past where people took great pleasure in doing so.

A firearm is a tool. It can be used for pleasure, target shooting, sporting clays, etc. It can be used for defense, and it can be used to keep the yoke of oppression from descending upon a group of citizens. They certainly are not 'cheap' unless you are talking about a Lorcin or the ever present Remington 870, which isn't particularly suited to crime.

Firstly you can kiss my American azz. Secondly I'm not about to do jack at your request. You may own firearms but you certainly do not understand freedom and I don't have the time to argue with you this weekend. Have a great trip.

 

Yep, and I'm 99% sure that if they were illegal, it still wouldn't be any harder.

If your considereing shooting somebody (or a group), then I'm pretty sure that the fact that the device you want to use is illegal would probably not be the for most concern and would not likely make you stop. The punishment for murder is much higher than ownership of the illegal device used.

There will always be a black market!
Gun laws only restrict the law abiding citizens. Criminals will always do what they want.

Maybe in your research you might dig and see that most of the stolen fully automatic guns and ever feared assault weapons, are not stolen from individule citizens......... a large percent of that dosen't even come from the US!

 

so with this analogy, why do you drive a truck when you should be driving a Geo metro.

maybe, but they are criminals and alot of deaths are between two criminals due to drugs, gangs etc. more laws, rule and bans only affect the law abiding citizen because the criminals break the law because they are ****ing criminals.


Its our right to own firearms. if the liberals had their way they would ban them all so the only guns out there would be in the hand of those criminals.
an armed populace decreases the overall occurrence of violent crime.

 

Tanner

The hoops one needs to jump through and the behinds they need to kiss, just to get a Class III weapon, are way more than I was willing to go through. I am considering a supressor, there again 200 bucks up front and a few months of waiting just to get the stamp, then you have the 400+ bucks for the actual supressor.

You make it sound like everyone has weapons you deem assault weapons. I have a few that would be classified as assault style, I really don't shoot them much, I am much more into hitting exactly what I am aiming at, instead of spraying the area.

I shoot some shotgun, skeet, trap, don't do well at it. I have enough trouble at times hitting stationary targets with a moving gun.

Shoot a lot of smallbore silhouette. like shooting a silver dollar at 40 meters, your fist at 60, a 3" circle at 77 and a 3x5 index card at 100 meters.

 

Do I detect a couple of ARF'ers here?? And of course a couple of libtards?

 

An assault rifle as defined under the 1994 Omnibus crime bill aka AWB must meet the following criteria.

accept a detachable magazine and has two or more of the following:

* A folding or telescoping stock
* A pistol grip
* A bayonet mount
* A flash suppressor, or threads to attach one
* A grenade launcher.


A pistol grip is defined by CA law and I believe adopted in the 1994 AWB language "... grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon"
i.e. the web of your hand (between thumb and index finger) is below the action.

A true 'assault rifle' is select fire.

 

Arf is for weenies. www.black-rifles.com/forums

 

An AK just 'cause?????

No we do hunt with the 7.62 round here. It is a very popular round and is very effective in the brush with more knock down than a 30/30. It's the prfect medium between a 12 ga slug and a 30/30. Plus the AK design is derived from the M1 garand, which is a very reliable and hardy action. You can dunk it in the mud, pull it up and know that it's going to fire any way. Which is great for deer hunting.

Hard to convert.. nope, it's no harder than anything else.
But if your sole desired, it's not hard to build a make shift fully auto from scratch either!
Or a gernade launcher, or a gernade, or a rocket, or a rocket launcher, or a bazooka, etc etc etc.
May not be the most sophisticated piece of equipment, but effective non the less.

 

The big drawback about converting or making your own fully auto, is that it is not something that is easily hidden. Once caught off to jail, it is a federal crime, not some little local deal.

There are not many places you could go and shoot it without people knowing. I live out in the sticks and hear gunfire most every evening, and a lot on the weekends, most of it is a ways (miles away) off but I think I could find it if I wanted to. Some of it is rapidfire pistol or semi rifle fire, but one would deffinatly know full auto fire. I have been around some of it and know the sound, I have also been around some of the IPSC guys and when they fire you would swear it was full auto.

 

I don't hunt, but it is on my list to try someday.

I own (by your definition) an "assault rifle" because it's cool. It's fun, and I shoot it competitively (or at least I try). Like Dave, no spray and pray for me.

I also own a semi automatic short barrelled shotgun with an extended magazine tube, 'cause it's cool. It's fun, which was the primary reason for me buying it. God forbid, it's also my second line of defense should I get an unwelcome guest in my house - a call to the sheriff is the first.

I own a couple pistols, because they're fun to shoot. I possess a concealed carry weapons permit, and carry often, wherever it's legal for me to do (and some places where it's not). Not because I'm looking for a fight, but because the fight might be looking for me. Evil exists in this world, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit around idly if it decides to ruin my day.

I shoot and own what I own for several reasons, and all my intentions are perfectly legal. If for whatever reason you can't accept that, I'm sorry, I don't plan on changing.

 

On the other hand, if everyone had machine guns and knew how to use them, then most criminals would think twice before trying to rob someone. Also it would sure cut down on second offenses.

Oh yeah I'm taterthedog and I 'm a gun addict.

 

Whoa look what I just found.....

I'd almost be willing to wager that before America takes the AK-47 from it's law abiding citizens. Canada will again take away your right to own a Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles which are based on the AK-47 action. I'm not familar with this paticualr rifle, but obviosly it wouldn't be hard to convert to full auto either... :yawn:

I may want one or two of these too. It's a freaking AK 47 shooting .308's (7.62x51mm) NATO!!!

Can you imagine a fully auto .308?
If you have two, then you could have a great sniper rifle and a full auto spray and pray. Can you say mass destruction?

More research is now required.... I'll be up aallll night long now!

 

Saiga makes an AK actioned rifle chambered in .308. They call it a "sporter," since it's got wood furniture on it and I think it only comes with a 5 or 10 round magazine. I saw one on the used rack at the local gun store for like $550.

 

Ja! It makes my pee pee all tingly just thinking about it. M14, M60, M240B/G

 

Yea but those arent legal up there in canada.

Seriously though, I'd never heard of these Valmets.

Edited to add:
And I'm finding very little on them.