I don't care I'll never own mopar. The Magnum, Charger, and 300 whatever are ugly as sin. Plus being in the towing industry for as long as I was and knowing a couple mopar mechanics I've seen and heard about enough crap come from mopar to last a lifetime. More than half the vehicles I towed everyday were mopar and on average at least 3-4 per week with blown transmissions. Just say NO to MOpar

 

All ford has to do is fellow thier own design in the Mustang, base V6 is good on gas, 4.6 hauls ***....
Extend this idea to every car Ford builds and bring back SVT, Ford dos not sell a lot of GT40's, but if thier's one in the show room, you will go look and might buy a hot rod Focus, Ford 500, Escape, ect...

Every GM dealer I see has a corvette in the show room, You can get a Grand prix with a 5.3 chev truck engine and the SS impalla has 303 H/P, Ford has the 2 seater mustang...

 

Just remember that Chrysler is right under Ford when it comes to quality and dependability. In other words the ranking, which is towards the bottom is:

Ford
Chrysler

In that order with nothing between them…

So while I agree with you about Chryslers quality and dependability Ford is barely ahead of them and that isn’t a good thing…

 

Ford does great with RWD vehicles........its their smaller fwd vehicles they have probs with........still nothing like chrysler. Fords problems are mostly small..........chryslers tend to have major problems i.e. constant transmission problems

 

Roll over’s killing people and cruise controls that start home fires are not something I would call “mostly small”

I'd much rather have an issue with the transmission...

 

Ok I'll give you the cruise control thing but the explorer roll over thing is due mostly to crappy firestone tires and inexperienced and/or stupid drivers not knowing how to control a blowout. Most people grow up driving small econoboxes and then all of a sudden are allowed to drive a heavy, high center of gravity vehicle with out being familiar with the characteristics of that vehicle.

Those chrysler trannys start to add up with $1900 and up price tags

 

As long as it's under warranty, I don't care whether the entire car blows up.

There's plenty of people bitching about their '04+ F150s shaking, vibrating, whining, knocking, ticking, clattering, hesitating, and everything else in between. Mine has been relatively fine. I'd have no qualms about giving Dodge a shot when it comes to their SRT8 cars. I hold no brand loyalities - if someone makes a car or a truck I like at a fair price, I'm there.

 

Hooah! Roger that...

01 XLT, man you've got me rolling over here... Not what I'd call "mostly small". ROTLFMAO

 

I am going to take this with an different approach. I think gas prices and tougher laws on emissions may be what caused Ford to drop the SVT and performance segment. I do know that the government told the automakers they had to raise the mpg's that their vehicles get. And high performance vehicles generally do not get high gas mileage. I know a standard F150 does not get great mileage either but it is easier for the makers to get a normal engine in the correct mpg range than it is to get vehicles like the Lightning into a high enough fuel economy bracket to satisfy the government regulations.

Another factor is the rising gas prices. I have started noticing that I do not see nearly as many high performance vehicles on the road lately as I do economy type vehicles. More and more people are starting to turn away from the gas guzzlers and getting more fuel efficient vehicles, whether it be cars or smaller SUV's. I know to fill up my truck, it takes over $50 now and that is with gas in it. Many cars can be filled up with less than $30 and can drive the same distance or more. A $20 difference in gas can mean alot to many people in this country.

I think Ford has been around long enough that they know what they are doing and am sure they have a master plan built. It might upset many people now but in the long run, what ever plan they have I think will work out.

Even though it is reported as the SVT being cancelled, they may still be working on designs and plans for future high performance lines and call it something else other than SVT.

 

today 61.27 to fill up my truck, holds 24 gallons i can go 365 miles on a good day.
02 RAV4 fill up 23.75 holds 13 gallons at the most, i can go 345+/- a couple. do the math and it all adds up to driving a *****mobile for a while... and buying other things like guns!!!, boats...

 

As I've said before and will say again, SVT DIED DUE TO LACKLUSTER SALES. Seriously, how many of you own a Lightning, Cobra, Focus SVT, or Contour SVT??? If sales of those vehicles had out-paced the King Ranch versions of the F-series trucks, don't you think they might have kept them around? The Lightnings were the hottest sellers of the SVT's series of vehicles, and sales were lackluster on a good year. Heck, they had 'old' Lightnings on the dealer lots until halfway through the new '05 model year run!! No *hot selling vehicle* sits on a lot for 6-9 months after they stop building them!

It was a lack of sales, not a lack of performance or quality that doomed SVT to its grave.

-Joe

 

Aren't engineers smart fellers? With the technology we have today it isn't necessary to have a big displacement engine to create a performance vehicle. I personally would like to see a trend twards smaller displscement, high power vehicles, like the WRX, and SRT4. I got a Lightning, and it wasn't cheap. Not even used. I'm willing to pay more for performance. They should be able to produce vehicle that get "better" fuel economy and still deliver performance that is better than that of the base model.

If Ford is going to have some performance vehicles in the line up, I don't care if they have an SVT badge or not. As long as the produce some. If they are they should let us know. If they don't give us something to look forward to many will look forward to something other than a Ford.

 

No, FORD burried Firestone with money in that deal. They outspent and had a better PR campaign. Specifying underinflated tires to give a better ride quality lead to most of the problems. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

 

SVT dead? Not according to Ford at the New York auto show.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto...93.A10272.html

 

There is no replacement for displacement.

You'll work a 4 cylinder twice as hard to make it perform like an 8 cylinder. I'm not sure that there's a company out there that gould make a 4-cylinder of any form in a 5500 lb truck that would perform on-par with a Lightning. The MDS used on the Chevrolet vehicles is about as close as you can come.

-Joe