Now, THAT's something that would have me up at the school chewing some butt. I agree, if you set rules for the students, you must follow the rules as well. That goes for everything in everyday life...IMO

 

Dress policy is one thing. Uniforms are another. The odd thing is I wore a uniform for 6 years in the Air Force and loved it. But that was my choice also.

 

Its always one thing or another. .

I really don't think the girl's skirt is too short, well for a girl in high school anyways. I had to wear uniforms for a while and trust me, it doesn't help kids focus on learning any more so than, if they wore something else considering it was decent. But, whatever. This is just stuiped, the girl is 10 years old. What happened to being a kid? When I was 10, I didn't care what people thought about my 'fasion sense.'

 

I may say things that offends some with my beliefs as compared to their beliefs. I don't do it to offend them or **** them off. I just don't like more government control. You can't always give in to what the majority or large groups of people want. The religious groups would rid sex , most movies and just about everything on TV. The Amish would eliminate cars. MADD would eliminate beer and alchohol. The majority would eliminate smoking although the state of NJ could not live with the lost of revenue it creates. $800,000,000.00. People don't like hunters and would like to eliminate them. Then there is a large group who would like to get rid of dirt-bikes in NJ and other states. People don't want things in their back yard but it's quite okay to have it in someone elses yard. PETA would eliminate leather belts, leather shoes, leather saddles and lether/fur coats.

By the time everyone got their way we'd all be sitting around looking at each other in the nude with nothing to do. We have to learn to accept each other and no more government controls including brush guards in the state of NY.

 

My wife and I have this debate often, not that I don't think she's right, but- being right doesn't always make sense...

It irritates her to know end to hear someone suggest a girl was "asking for it" by wearign sexy attire, or bulging out of various items of clothing, because of what it does to men... I agree with her. What a woman wears, or refuses to wear does not give a man teh right to fell her up, or rape her...

However, I don't think any man that's ever raped, felt-up, sodomized, kidnapped, or killed a woman, because he liked what he saw, and decided to take it, ever did so wondering if he was violating her rights...

There are a lot of sick jokers out there. We all know it, and women- being the target in most instances of this lust, need to be careful about the message they are sending; whether they "acknowledge" the transmission or not...

If you walk around with your "high beams" shining through the shirt, cheeks out, and butt showing; chances are that at least one man; if he thinks he can get away with it, will take the opportunity, if the opportunity presents itself. She may walk by 1,000 man, and never hear a comment, she make walk by 2,000 and never get touched, but at some point, some opportunistic dude will grab her, and have his way with her...

I like to look just like any other man; but I have control over myself. I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't look because I do. I'm not offeded by what I see; but, stories like this do cause me a concern because I don't care what you say, 10 is too young for that sort of attire. Heck, 16 is too young, but I can tell you; they don't make 16 year olds today like they did when we were growing up. The girls at my 17 y/o's high school look like women; with more "accessories" than women in their mid-20's - 40's. Looking at them, you wouldn't know they were teens, until you saw the flowers and glitter painted on their faces, or listened to the BS conversation.

It should be a womans right, no matter how gorgeous or attractive, to be able to go to a night club, dance all night naked, and not be groped or raped by anyone... That's how it shoudl be...

But, it's not like that in reality, and dressing skimpy says to some: (Easy, skank, ho, *****, I want it, etc..) My suggestion, if that's not the message you want to be sending, make sure you don't- or, if you must, at least don't travel by yourself...

 

For the most part I couldn't agree more. However, She doesnt have a Constitutional right to wear the skirt....therefore they can restrict it.

 

And they just had to bring the constitution into this? So now, wearing a mini-skirt in the 4th grade is a constitutional right? Good lord...we're screwed.[/QUOTE]

Parents raise minors. Not governments or school boards. What your neighbors dress their kids in is no business of yours.

And yes 4th graders do have Constitutional rights. I'm sure you'd whine if you lost one.

 

Relax. I'm not sure if this was directed at my post or not so take it for what its worth.

1. You won't find a bigger critic of intrusive gov't and rights errosion on this board than me.

2. I never said kids don't have rights so stop with the rhetoric. Of course she has rights but wearing a mini-skirt isnt one.

3. I don't whine.

4. School boards do control school policy, including dress code. If you dont like it, petition the board or get on it and change it from within.

 

You cut and paste pretty much implies what I've been saying. School boards set the rules and ask the courts, known as the government, for help. It applies to kids. This would never fly if it were nation wide for everyone. Kids rights are being taken away by the people who don't raise them.

Parents should be raising their kids and no school board, court or government body.

 

I'd wear BDU's today, if I didn't want to run the risk of looking like a merc..


My sister's HS went to uniforms (Khaki pants, and a white polo shirt) or Blue khaki's and a white polo shirt. Made it cheaper for the parents (Of those kids who felt the need to by their kids the latest Hilfiger or Fubu attire so that their dress was not ridiculed in school) and reduced the chances of anyone getting ridiculed for not being fashionable.

They restricted the pants and shirts; so- the kids adapted and began to focus on who had the best sneakers.

LT: Do you have any pics in that Catholic School out fit, Perferably in knee socks, and the shirt tied in a knot?

We had an Iron-Clad dress code from 1997 - 1999 (And from what I hear, from 1967 - 1997~long before I got there) where men had to wear black, dark blue or grey suits, and women had to wear skirts, a blouse, and pumps (no open-toe shoes). They paid "0" clothing allowance.

Even the engineers, crawling under the floor spaces were expectd to wear suits. They had coveralls for them when they had to go under the floor, or something, but other than that- suit was on. In teh control room, you could take your jacket off, but- outside the control room or in the cafeteria, you would be in your full suit. Being a big fella, I can't go to JC Penney's and get a suit for $100.00; my suits were each $375 - $500.00, and we had to wear suits Mon - Friday; no "casual Fridays" at that job... In Sept 1999, they relaxed it to Knaki's or slacks, and a collared shirt. It's still that way today, but no jeans; unless you're working nights (Starting after 6 PM), and your shirt had to be tucked in.

Where I am now, we can wear jeans, shirt still must be collared though, and there's no limit on over-dressing the code. You can wear a tuxedo if you'd like- but, don't step in here in some sweat pants; not unless you want to go home with no pay, or get written up...

Jobs must have a dress code, otherwise you'll have dummies like this girl at my wife's job that came in on a Sunday (No managers) in her pajamas, and big-ole Sponge Bob slippers. I'm glad I saw her (They were fitting very nicely) but, still, pajamas at work is just wrong...

 

School boards years ago never did have dress codes loke they do today. They became like government when they realized they can get away with it. The boards decide code by what clothing styles they likes and dislike. A mini skirt has zero bearing on a childs ability to learn. A child is gonna be dumb or smart no matter what they wear.

Should schools have mandatory drug testing? It's another school/minor thing.

 

That seems backwards to what I have observed, school boards set the policy and its the aprents that take it to court.

I really would hate to have had uniforms when I was in school, but it would cut out the competition in dress and it would eliminate the administrators from having to police the policies. I know that when I was in junior high (now middleschool), we were so poor, I think I had 3 shirts and 3 pairs of jeans, one pair of shoes. I was always embarassed at how I dressed compared to most kids. It drove me to quit sports in high school and go to work after school at the age of 14. I went to school half a day and worked half a day my senior year in high school. I guess being poor warped me, it drove me to work my way through college and get a better paying job.

 

I might add this after reading a post that uniforms can be cheaper, need less of them and make getting dressed in the morning much easier.

 

Having served on a board, I disagree. The dress codes are usually brought about by kids pushing the envelope and parents not accepting responsibility.

 

Yes some school boards are out of hand. I agree with you. However, the Constitution doesn't have a thing to do with this. Both sides of an issue love to throw the C when it suits their needs.

School boards are controlled locally. Replace the people if the people are wrong. Your (generic) problem is convincing the apathetic & ignorant constituents to exercise their rights and affect change where it is needed.

Have you considered that perhaps school boards have had to institute dress codes because parents are not doing their jobs and controlling their children? No parent of a 10 year old girl should allow her to be in a mini-skirt. The woman complains about her rights and probably cant tell me the 1st amendment or who her local officials are. Her cries fall on deaf ears