Varmit Gun
Originally Posted by BigGameHunter
Im looking to get a varmit gun, something small caliber and long range. Any suggestions (Caliber and Make)??? Been looking at either a .17 or a .22-250??
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Depends on what kind of varmit and how far you want to "reach out and touch them". I'd recommend a 30-06 if you are a good enough shot. it'll demolish a field rat or snake.
I usually carry a 30-06 and a Glock 9mm with me when I'm out and about running around on the farm.
I usually carry a 30-06 and a Glock 9mm with me when I'm out and about running around on the farm.
I also say go for a 223. I have a Savage Model 11 (cheap model) that I got new for 400 bucks with a Simmons 3-9 power scope. Its sure nothing fancy, but it was what I wanted-cheap, fairly nice, and something I can just kind of throw and beat around. Fits that bill perfect. Shoots dead on to boot.
Unless your looking for something ultra fancy, it might be something you want to look into. And you can shoot it all day and you wont go broke from buying ammo.
Unless your looking for something ultra fancy, it might be something you want to look into. And you can shoot it all day and you wont go broke from buying ammo.
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depends on what varmint you're hunting, how/where you're hunting them, and what you want to do with them. Most 'varmint' guns are simply benchrest guns and are very poor choices for actual hunting conditions. If you're talking about shooting prairie dogs from a benchrest, then they will suit you fine. If you're talking about a rifle for calling, you want something compact, lightweight, and easy to carry long distances. For example, if you're calling fox/coyotes, a benchrest 'varmint' gun is the last thing on earth you want. As far as calibers go, that depends on what you want to shoot and how you want it to end up. Shooting prairie dogs ADC style, it's perfectly fine to have them blow up in a puff of fur. If you're targeting furbearers such as fox, coons, and coyotes, you will be throwing away a lot of pelt $$ by destroying them. A .22-250 or .220 swift will often leave a softball sized hole in a fox, coon, or coyote pelt. A plain old .223 is a much better choice for animals of this size, but can still cause a lot of damage to a fox or bobcat. It is still a much better choice than the other .22 centerfires.
The ultimate fur gun is a .17 REM. (NOT to be confused with the .17 hmr and hm2). fox to coyote sized critters generally drop over dead with just a bb sized entrance wound. The insides are turned to jelly, but the pelt is intact. The .17 rem is basically (but not exactly) a .223 necked down to shoot a .17 bullet at over 4000 FPS. it is a tad more wind sensitive than the .22's are, but it is not a big difference.
a .204 ruger is a newer round that is getting more popular, but less popular at the same time as people sell them after they see what it does. It shoots really flat, but tends to do more damage than a .220 swift or .22-250 do.
The .17HMR is a .22 mag necked down to take a .17 bullet. The .17 HM2 (mach 2) is a plain .22lr taken down to .17. The HMR is a decent round for prairie dogs or rats and foxes/bobcats/coons at close range (inside 100 yds., 50 yds. is better) just like its .22 mag father. Neither is an adequate round for coyotes at any range. The Mach 2 is ok for shooting rats in a dump, but not worth much for anything else.
What, when, and how you are hunting will choose your caliber for you. Brand comes down to the quality you want and how much you want to spend. Unfortunately, american gun makers just aren't turning out good products anymore. Winchester hasn't had it for a long time, and remington has really taken a dump over the last several years. Ruger's seem to be not bad, but not great either. Outside of a premium custom gun, if you buy american, you'll be spending a lot of money for poor quality. You can spend $600-800 on a remington, plus add another $100 or 3 into gunsmithing just to make it shoot as well as a CZ or savage that costs half the price to begin with. Brownings and Sakos are hard to beat for quality, but they will cost you. A tikka is a very good value as well, basically a sako without the bells and whistles. Right now though, as good as the others are, CZ's and Savages just can't be beat. They may not be the prettiest things to look at, but they shoot just as good or better than the others and cost a lot less. A varmint gun should be painted camo anyways, so looks shouldn't be an issue. A shiny stainless steel barrel or a glossy stock is like a warning beacon to varmints, no matter how pretty they look in your gun cabinet.
My CZ 527 varmint in .17 REM:
The ultimate fur gun is a .17 REM. (NOT to be confused with the .17 hmr and hm2). fox to coyote sized critters generally drop over dead with just a bb sized entrance wound. The insides are turned to jelly, but the pelt is intact. The .17 rem is basically (but not exactly) a .223 necked down to shoot a .17 bullet at over 4000 FPS. it is a tad more wind sensitive than the .22's are, but it is not a big difference.
a .204 ruger is a newer round that is getting more popular, but less popular at the same time as people sell them after they see what it does. It shoots really flat, but tends to do more damage than a .220 swift or .22-250 do.
The .17HMR is a .22 mag necked down to take a .17 bullet. The .17 HM2 (mach 2) is a plain .22lr taken down to .17. The HMR is a decent round for prairie dogs or rats and foxes/bobcats/coons at close range (inside 100 yds., 50 yds. is better) just like its .22 mag father. Neither is an adequate round for coyotes at any range. The Mach 2 is ok for shooting rats in a dump, but not worth much for anything else.
What, when, and how you are hunting will choose your caliber for you. Brand comes down to the quality you want and how much you want to spend. Unfortunately, american gun makers just aren't turning out good products anymore. Winchester hasn't had it for a long time, and remington has really taken a dump over the last several years. Ruger's seem to be not bad, but not great either. Outside of a premium custom gun, if you buy american, you'll be spending a lot of money for poor quality. You can spend $600-800 on a remington, plus add another $100 or 3 into gunsmithing just to make it shoot as well as a CZ or savage that costs half the price to begin with. Brownings and Sakos are hard to beat for quality, but they will cost you. A tikka is a very good value as well, basically a sako without the bells and whistles. Right now though, as good as the others are, CZ's and Savages just can't be beat. They may not be the prettiest things to look at, but they shoot just as good or better than the others and cost a lot less. A varmint gun should be painted camo anyways, so looks shouldn't be an issue. A shiny stainless steel barrel or a glossy stock is like a warning beacon to varmints, no matter how pretty they look in your gun cabinet.
My CZ 527 varmint in .17 REM:
Last edited by inbred; Feb 20, 2006 at 02:23 PM.
Browning .22 LR pistol is bad ***. Semi-auto .22 LR rifle is good for the woods; I prefer Winchesters. I love my Marlin .22 Bolt-action rifle. If you get a rifle go with no scope. Go with iron sights.
I find tht my Winchester .303 Mag. works just fine. You have to be a good shot though if you don't want the expense to climb. The trick is to get about a dozen prairie-dogs in a line and let 'er go. 12:1 KR (kill ratio)
I have 2, 25 round banana clips for my 10/22.
I am going to get one of these as soon as they get more or I find one similar some where.

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merch...1022-MAGAZINES
That is great!
I am going to get one of these as soon as they get more or I find one similar some where.

http://www.mwgco.com/Merchant2/merch...1022-MAGAZINES
That is great!




