You guys are safe even when illegal immigrants control 51+% of the voting power.
You know the short bus is special too....goofy texans

 

Texas, and the right to seceed...

 

Wow, all I really meant in the original comment was "Are we about to have another civil war?"

PonyDriver, Big Hersh,

While we may not agree on some subjects, I commend the both of you for sticking to the given topic, and not turning to ignorant insults. That shows the charater that both of you posess.

I will fly my American flag to the day that I die, and I will be proud of my southern heritage till the day I die. My way of showing my Southern heritage is by displaying a rebel flag. If people from another country want to display their heritage, that is fine. What I cannot condone is people who live in this country and desire to live in other, thereby disrespecting this one.

Big Hersh,
Not to be offensive, but when filling out questioneres(sp), do you check the African-American block or the Other block? I always check the "other", because if we as a nation wish to truly eradicate racism, then race shouldn't matter for anything.

 

I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi, er, I mean, BigHersh...

Yes, I check the box, but it's not because I'm holden to my African ancestry. There's no denying th fact that my ancestors descended from Africa, either by purchase from a larger African tribe, or by capture from European slave traders. I check the box because there is no block, typically, that says "black". On other forms I check "Black, of Non-Hispanic Origin" when available.

Actually, I could check the "Indian" box too because my Great Grandfather was 100% Choctaw Indian, which waters my blood down to 12.5%; enough to get some of that Indian money to go to college, should I pursue it!

Africa-American is a term that came up in the 80's as a way to get away from the name "black", because few of us are truly "black". But, the Mexican's & other Latino's have taken "brown" for their own; so I guess they had to come up with something, PC.

I don't check other...

OK, now- tell me where you're going with this (As if I don't know...)
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What really used to chap my **** was my havign to put my race on my NCOER's that went to DA... If anywhere race should not matter, it's in the Army... Quotas work both ways... You never know when it's working for you, or against you. Judging by a friend of mine who's been passed over 4 times for E-8 Master Sergeant, I'd say it's working against him...

 

Yeah. You're such a trouble maker trying to stir the pot between us and Delaware.

 

Honestly, I'm not leading you anywhere. I just like to know who I'm arguing with. On which side of the fence you stand, so to speak. And indeed, you did prove my point. If race doesn't matter to you, why check the box? I used to check the caucasian box, and be proud that I had something going for me. Then I grew older and a lottle wiser. Racism will never stop as long as the difference is made. Have you seen the movie "Crash"?

 

Not yet... Was it good?

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Just to qualify things; I am not a racist. It has nothign to do with what box I check on a form. No matter how long it takes, sooner or later, they are going to find out I'm black, so, why wait?

I don't believe all white people are out to get me, nor do I believe every black person has my back. In fact, contrary to popular belief, a black person is more apt to hold another black person back; especially in the corporate world, because they don't want to give even the slightest hint of being biased... Even if that black person is qualified, or the best qualified candidate... So, no- I'm just me, no more, no less.

Until a man or woman crosses me, then they are given the benefit of the doubt- whether they are Black, White, Mexican, Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Afghan, Iraqi, Iranian, or what ever. As long as you're cool with me, then I'm cool with you.

I'm an equal-opportunity, potential friend.

 

Probably one of the best I've seen about racism and what it does to people. I'm not insinuating that you're racist, just pointing out that you, as well as everyone else, differentiate. Until that stops, the world will be as it is.

You mentioned that in the corporate world, a black man will most likely prefer a white to a black worker in order to not look biggoted. Welcome to the world of the white man. I know many people who've been denied jobs and/or scholarships based on qutoas and race. It's F'ing ridiculous. I've seen that most other white guys on this site feel the way that I do, some are just more aggressive about it. I would like to be able to discuss this over a beer with you one day. Perhaps we should move this to e-mail in order to not **** off anyone else here, or is there any one that reads this?

 

Anger fear aggression...the dark side are they.

 

See, BigHersh, if I wanted you destroyed, I'd sic Vader on ya'....

 

GARSH...I just sat and read all 5 pages of this thread....whooo I'm cross-eyed

The comment was made this week at work that if the Union had not have won, we might be speaking Japanese or German. If the Union had not of won...where would we be today?

 

That's a good question. I'm not a big speculator, though. I don't believe in thinking about "what coulda' been", when there is so much "as is" to deal with. However, I think that if the South would of won, they'd eventually have became part ot the Union again, but being a much richer and properous region than it is now.

 

Well I don't own any slaves.... to my knowledge non of my family ever owned any slaves, atleast dating a few hundred years prior to the civil war. During my family geanology research at the local courthouse. I did not run across any records of slavery in this area. But what I did run across was many records of fallen confederate soldiers both in my family and all of my neighbors families. As well as lots of yankee soldiers too. My state happened to be split 50/50 (North/South).

I do belive that slavery was just a motivation for Nothern Troops and an attempt for Uncle Sam to get more people behind him. Simply grasping for straws for self justification so they could sleep at night. They got lucky and grabbed onto that one. It became a sucessful marketing ploy to get enough man power, resources, and moral support. So sucessful infact that it is still working to this day.

I'll admit I have not studied the civil war in depth. I do enjoy the occasional story reported on the history channel and the numerous ghost stories associated with it. (I've even made up a few on of my own) But that's about the extent of my interest in it. Except this one thing....

So I ask of the educated individules on here who have studied it.
What caused all these brother(s) of the same house(s), who's families had never owned a single slave, to decided to go to war against each other? Knowing that they might have to kill thier dad's other son for the side they chose!

My family tree lost several limbs for both sides during this war, as well as
for every war this country has faced outside our own borders too. So yes I do feel a sense of pride when I see old glory. But I also feel pride when I see a confederate flag too.

Dont even get me started on treason.....
Wasn't this country founded on acts of treason?
What was the cause of our revolution?

 

Sorry it's so late, I was at Lodge.

Yes I meant Nation of Islam.


No I do not support 'gay rights' because it's a farce. Everyone has human rights, white, black, purple, slant eyed, polka dotted, gay, straight, suffering from leprosy etc. What the gay community seeks is forced acceptance of their lifestyle.

They are consenting adults and are free to do whatever they please to each other behind closed doors. I still think it's wrong, but they can do what they want. I do not want to see it in public, I do not want my kids to see it, and I do not want it thrown in my face that they screw each other and have fabulous new curtains in their condo.

Marriage is between a MAN a WOMAN and GOD. The state ought to stay out of Marriage. If two people of the same sex want to live together let them have a Civil Union and be done with it.

My feelings on the subject can be summed up as follows...


The love that dare not speak its name, will not not ****.

 

Not at all. Slavery was the straw that swung the scales on the matter. Lincoln said that if he could have preserved the Union without freeing a single slave he would have done it. It was politically expedient to free the slaves in the CSA (Even though he was the President of the USA) and gain support for the war.

Beliefs and loyalty. Some chose to fight for the Union because, well they were a part of it. Others instead chose to fight for States Rights and the right to govern themselves instead of having their decisions made for them in Washington. In the simplest of terms one side wanted the Federal Government to make their decisions for them via a strong central government and the others wanted to keep the power at the state level (pretty much Local) and have a weak central government. Remember Civics class and history class? It all ties in abnd goes back to our founding days.

Indeed it was. May the LORD bless those that fought and died for the Freedoms that I have today, and may they rest eternally in peace.