Well, I can see we have a long way to go...

Damn- if I hadn't seen that crap about the South Rising again, this would have been a cool, yet humorous thread- but, it's gone woefully off course now...

Oh well..
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Again, I know the war wasn't fought about slavery. (I'll leave this on a seperate line for all to see.)


As for someone hating to see the flag of another person's country of origin, that's just crazy. Everybody that's here isn't from America. Heck, my best friend is from Trinidad. He doesn't have any Trinidadian flags, and I don't wave the American flag, or the Louisiana state flag in his face. There's a difference between heritage and misplaced loyalty.

Perpetuating ignorance? Doctor, heal thyself...
The Civil War is over; the south lost, badly. Why keep waving the flag? While it maybe a symbol of misplaced pride, it is certainly a reminder of treason committed against the US. Did you know that the Klu Klux Klan has the confederate flag as its organizing banner? Nice group to have ties to.

The war's over; you don't see any "yankees" flying the Union Jack up north? Why is the Confederate flag still flown in the south? I have yet to have an 18-wheeler (Kenworth) bearing down on my rear bumper with a Union Jack across its grill. This is the USA, not the CSA.

Truth be told, I don't lump everyone I see flying the rebel flag into the pool of bigots from the 1860's - 1960's. The truth is, most of you guys are simply out of touch with what it meant, just as I was, up until my 8th grade year. You're out of touch because that's not what it meant to you.

Plus, my neighbor, who has his replacing the Chevy badge on his truck, is one of the nicest guys I've met in my neighborhood... Either that, or he's faking it... (I better keep an eye on him.)

The truth is, most people are growing in their enlightenment now a days. That's why the Army doesn't let soldiers hang them in their rooms, like some tried to in the 80's (Because Uncle Sam sees it as a symbol of hatred, seperation, & bigotry too), That's why the NASCAR CEO said on 60 minutes that he didn't want to see confederate flags at NASCAR races.

Maybe in another 141 years, it won't be flown anymore; it took us 141 years to get here; it might take another 141 for it to finally be over.

I'm not mortally offended when I see that rebel flag waving. I'm not a person that looks for things to get offended by. I'm much more concerned with one's actions, and to a lesser extent, what they say (type), than I am with what their T-shirt, grill insert, stickers, or badges say. All those things tell me, and that it might be in my best interest not to get too comfortable...

 

How is honoring and embracing ones heritage 'misplaced loyalty'? I love this country as much as anyone, and more than most. I have an American flag hanging in my garage, when I die I'll likely have one draped over my casket.

Now, if you admit and know that the Civil War was not over slavery, what's the hangup over the Confederate flag? They fought for what they believed in and what they thought was right. Much of the crap stirred over the confederate flag these days is nothing more than a politicaly motivated attack on something that they either don't understand or jsut want to attack to the sake of attacking.


We're in America, why fly an African flag?

Treason? I think you have it *** backwards. Lincoln invaded a soveriegn country. The states had every right to seceed if they wanted to and did. They were invaded and thousands upon thousands of people died as a result.

And? While I think they're some of the most ignorant groups of people out there that doesn't make the Confederate flag evil or a representation of hate. they burn crosses too, does that mean the cross is bad thing?

Most Yankees don't know chit from shineola and have no clue as to our history. That goes for most Americans though, not just 'Yankees'. I guess I should have Jamaica and protest its flag the next time someone cuts me off on my drive home?

Truth be told you were fed a line of bull about what the flag stood for and have everafter believed it. YOU are simply out of touch for what it ment. WTF did you go or what did you read that gove you, Bighersh divine enlightenment as to exactly what the flag of the CSA stood for?

he drives a Chevy, he bears watching regardless.

The Army doesn't allow it because people b!thc about it. Same with anything else in the Army. It's not a problem until someone makes it a problem. Uncle Sam is a worthless PC motivated beheamoth that rarely makes sense.

NASCAR is a business. Thanks to people like JJ AS and the like, the flag has received a bad wrap and they don't want it associated with their company. If it wasn't for Southerners being southerners there would be no NASCAR.

It will never be over as long as you try to infringe on peoples Freedom because you don't like what they do or believe.

 

Well, at least we can agree on one thing... I earned mine in the Army, so I know it's coming, one day.

I gues I should have said it wasn't solely over slavery.
No hangups... I'll sleep well tonight, 50 feet from my confederate flag waving neighbor.

(I haven't seen anyone with an African Flag, and I certainly don't have one... I'm an American, born & raised)

What do you think would happen today if Texas seceeded from the union? It didn't fly then, and it won't fly now.

Yes, burning crosses is a bad thing.

Go for it...

How do you know you haven't been fed a line of bull about what it doesn't stand for?

There are tons of books.

Another point we can agree on. That's two.

Careful, that's treasonous...

I thought stock cars were built in Detroit, and sold across the country... Do you mean if it wasn't for the south, no one would have ever raced cars?

I haven't taken anything to the supreme court, and don't plan to. I'm no threat to your desire, or anyone's to wave that flag. Just like you won't see me at any NAACP meetings trying to have it banned either...

If there has been no law banning the burning of the American Flag, by Americans (which is detestable), then I'm sure there's be no legislation, or Judicial pressure to stop anyone from showing their flags.

Wave on.

 

I'd just like to commend you both on your prodigious use of the quoting feature.

That's too much dang work

 

How does one explain the Rebel Flag being flown as a defiance of the Civil Rights Act?

 

Right on!

 

It's not that hard...

Really!

I'm done with this...

I'm just gonna sit back and wait for the New Jersey to open fire on the Delaware National Guard!

 

So did I.

It was an example. How about the flags hanging from people's rear view mirrors? How about the NOI flag?

That would only make it official and Mexico would welcome them back. They've been over run as it is.


No kidding, but that does not make the cross a symbol of hate. The same goes for the Confederate flag. They were just too stupid to think of their own design.

Becuase I am a highly intelligent individual and can think for myself.

I've read many. Some of them didn't even have pictures!

I've served my Country and love it dearly, but it's fawked up horribly. If that makes me treasonous so be it.

NASCAR originated when the Rum Runners/Shiners started holding races on the beach.


I don't fly any flag, except that of the USA. Don't plan on flying any others, but I will support someone's right to fly whatever they want. Undereducated or misinformed people attacking something that they don't understand pizzes me off, regardless of what it's over.

 

No kidding. I'm going home to pick up my kids. Catch ya'll on the flip side.

 

Stupid people use it to represent something it dosent. The rebel flag is, and always be part of my heritage and I've got as much of a right to put it anywhere i please as the Putero Ricans do to put their flag (and they do it, everywhere).
And i dont feel like hunting for the text again to quote it but to the person saying something about Texas seceding now.....they cant. Im a little foggy on my history but before the civil war a state did have the right to secede at any time, it was changed afterwards.

 

Hey. Who brought up the Union Jack? Don't drag me into this

 

Texas can secede. it was part of our agreement to the union, I believe we are the only state that can.

 

Cool.

If by NOI you mean Nation of Islam, I don't support that either.





No, as anyone can see, the cross is the victim where the Klan is concerned.

Likewise.

That makes two of us.

I was just kidding...


Doesn't mean someone else wouldn't have started it... It might not be called NASCAR, maybe it would be, FASCAR.

So, you believe in Gay rights too?
I'm just asking, you know, since you'll support anyone's rights to do whatever they wish...

 

I seem to recall that being the situation.

 

I seem to recall hearing that as well; but, I haven't taken the time to verify...