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If I am correct on this, the ban on smoking does not apply to Casinos in Atlantic City. Check out this double standard. Guess it's OK to breath second hand smoke if it's making the place mega money.

It's the small resturants and bars that will hurt. Theres something wrong with this law.

 

I can appreciate your feeling Brew....really I do.

I hate smoking...I hate being behind someone walking down the street when they exhale. I hate cig flicked out the window and onto my truck or just littering. I hate the smell it leaves on people. My father is a smoker and he frankly stinks when he comes inside, in fact it is not allowed in my home. It is a pointless, harmful, expensive habit that I personally hate. My grandfather died from lung cancer and my father cant wake up in the morning without hacking his head off for 10 minutes.

BUT....I dont want to take away their freedoms because I find it to be a disgusting habit. If smoking is so bad than the govt should ban it but they wont and they can't. So they just push smokers around and take their money while telling them it is wrong.

Banning smoking may improve littering but why not ban instant lotto tickets, how many losing tickets do you step over on your way into a convience store. Sure it may work but it is the wrong way to go about it. Raise the fines on littering and enforce the law....it will only take a few $500 tickets to get the word out.

I wont debate that 2nd hand smoke is bad for you....it probably is, it may not be....I'm inclined to think breathing in smoke is bad regardless of how it was generated....but that isnt the issue. However, you prove my premise that personal choice is better than a law. You weigh the cost/benefit of entering establishments that allow smoking. Until the smoke becomes unbearable for you, it is worth the health risk or you wouldn't enter. When it becomes a problem you leave and the place loses your business. Perfect way to handle it.

It has been stated many times already but it really needs to be restated and taken to heart....

One day "They" will get to something that matters to you....then what?


on a side note - good lord this post had typos....I swear tritoneer is at my keyboard....sometimes I type too fast....

 

I agree! The two biggest litterers on the planet have got to be smokers and scratch ticket losers! I see butts everywhere and they are NOT biodegradeable. Not to mention the cellophane wrappers from packs, empty packs and empty disposable lighters.
You can't walk to a convenience store around here without wading through butts and scratch tickets.
People who litter are lazy inconsiderate slobs. I hope none of the smokers in this forum use their windows as ashtrays. If they do then they are lazy inconsiderate slobs as well.

 

They will never prohibit me from fondling myself in public!

 

Me either.

 

Should restaurants have a no fondling section?

 

Since when is paper not biodegradeable? Therefore cigarette butts? Honestly, I would like to know...

 

When you hear a knock at the door....go out the back...but pull up the pants first...you can run faster.

 

Brewdude........

Your and my thinking are exactly the same on this issue. I lost my father to lung cancer only two years ago, but that is beside the point.

Just my opinion.. but restaurants that allow smoking should have the smoking sections completely segregated from the remainder. What good does it do to specify non-smoking so my 14 month old isn't inhaling their cig only to be seated 10 feet away from them in the smoking section with nothing but air between us? We all still stink like a dirty ashtray when we leave and may as well have been sitting at the same table with them. If you can't wait an extra 5 minutes to have a smoke until you get outside, I feel sorry for you.

I used snuff for 17 years... never did I spit in anyone's face, on their clothes, shoes or anything else and noone ever had to take a shower when they got home because of my personal vice.... smokers cannot say that.

You want to cause health problems for yourself and wreak of cigarettes... knock yourself out... but don't take the rest of us on that ride with you. If that has to be mandated by the law because the business refuses to do it... so be it.

Most facilities won't do it of their own accord because they are afraid of the backlash caused by the smokers. Been there and done that around here just in the last year. If they want to cater to everyone and not have the government in their business, they should make changes in their seating/building/ventilation.


EDIT: The flaming butt from the vehicle in front of you coming inside your car may have been thrown out there as an extreme example... but I did in fact have that happen several years ago. Actually set the rear carpet on fire, causing me to have to pull over and dump a bottle of GatorAide on it to put it out.

 

Two Words...




PeeWee Herman


BREW

 

I'm

I surrender...

Just let the government control everything....

we'll all be smoke free and spine free....can I get a passport out of Absurdistan formally the United States....

Hey....I just shocked myself on the carpet here in the office....I think static electricity is bad....lets make a law....carpet is bad...outlaw it now.

Edit....two last quotes

 

VICTORY! VICTORY! VICTORY! VICTORY!

 

So should we ban fast food resteraunts b/c of all of the wrappers and such thrown out by people? As part of our public realtions with the town that we are located in, we have a program called Adopt A Highway. Basically we go out and pick up trash off the side of the road. I'm here to tell ya' while butts may be nasty, they're small and not very noticable. Fast food wrappers and beer can/bottles are a whole nother story...

 

I never said anything about a ban. I understand the thread is about the ban but I was just voicing my opinion of litterbugs in general. I agree that fast food wrappers are right up there as well. If you litter you are a lazy inconsiderate slob, it does not matter what you throw out of your window.

 

VADER..I hear ya man. I do agree that just because I dont like it, it should be banned. It is an infringemnet on smokers rights. I honestly wish it didn't have to get to this extreme. But I do feel something needs to be done to control it. Its out of hand, and every and I mean EVERY smoker I know, will tell me the same thing, with an attitude..."if you dont like my smoke, move" I understand the lottery tickets, and beer cans and soda cans and and and..the law really needs to start enforcing the law and fine those who liter. I see more liter under the no literering signd than I care to. I think a completeley seperate room in the back of a rest. for smoking would be acceptable by most. Just ventilate it real good and have a smoke feast..I dont care. Just keep it in the back so I dont have to walk thru it. Enforce the damn littering fines, like you said, a few $500 fines will start to get the message across. Keep those stupid butt cans at least 100' away from the main entrance.Case and Point...I just went to the ATM machine at my bank. The machine is right next to the main entrance. Right there at the entrance is one of those butt can things, with smoke billowing out of all over me as I try to get my money. So I guess its my choice to use that bank and now its time I change banks???

The ban at the casino's is pretty shady. You cant smoke anywhere except on the floor. Right or wrong? I say its wrong but its a deff. money move. I think its going to cause some serious problems once the ban goes into affect.

I'm sure, when the day comes that they ban something I like and enjoy, I will lean more to the other side of this conversation. But again, this one hits me personally. I can only hope its enforced in Connecticut someday and forces my little brother to quit.


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