While I am sure you are a good person and mean well let me give you my prospective on the above comment. Since you asked for someone to explain the double standard allow me to try.

Now, this is my opinion and you don’t have to agree or like it but it is someone else’s opinion other then your own.

A double standard is when there is one standard for one person and another standard for another person.

Women, any race, have known this for many decades now. Generally women have to do twice the work, or be twice as good as men, any race, to earn about the same pay as a man in the same position.

That is one form of a double standard. You, again in my opinion, are trying to establish a double standard, one for you, and a different one for the rest of us. By that I mean with you stating ”getting the double standard bit because you’re a minority” is trying to set a standard that perhaps we should treat you different then we might treat others here.

In other words we may want to tread more lightly when corresponding with you in this or any other threads. Another way to think about it is to make sure we don’t happen to say something that might offend you because you are of a different race then us. Problem is, for the most part, neither you nor many people here know what everyone else’s race actually is.

Now here is the kicker you are actually asking us all, or most of us to treat you different solely based on your race. Isn’t that completely against everything taught to people about equal treatment for all regardless of race?

Personally I think the best thing to do is ask a moderator to delete this thread. I believe since you’re the one that started it you can ask and generally they will do it. This way you, and all of us, get a fresh start.

I can honestly and truthfully tell you in the past 3 or 4 years I have been here I have never really saw anyone who was a racist other then a troll now and then and the moderators take care of them quickly and swiftly…

It’s all good my friend I thinks its time for a fresh start and show us who you really are which I am sure you are just like any of us and we could all sit down and have a good time…

 

First of all, the deleting of the thread is the moderator's call. I am a guest here.

Second, how come when I am in a surroundings where I think I can safely say that gun laws are not that popular around here. What I mean, I think I am among a lot of shooters. Shooter by default are against strict-non-working-gun-laws.

Now, here I come, and I state, that this late-real-strict-gun law has straddled me down and keeping me from getting my gun back. Mind you, I am not a crook, in no way shape or form. I am not mental. All I did was put my property, which happened to be guns in the care of my relatives while I go abroad. Come to find out when I came back, and went to fetch them, I ran into problems and didn't get them back. So, they were lost.

Now, how can a community of mostly gun lovers side with the late real strict non working gun law???

Because that is what happened. I was pounced on like I was John Dillinger or Al Capone!!!! This would be hard to understand even coming from a non-shooting crowd, but this is a shooting crowd. So, there has to be reason. What reason would come to mind first?? Yes, because I am minority. That is what comes to my mind first. Why, because this has happened in the past. No big deal, and not playing any race card either. Just stating how a crowd that understands the lawful use of guns can come down on a person, and side with the gun law.

And everybody has a problem with me and how I lost my guns. What I did was perfectly normal under the circumstances, and legal too. But, I was told I didn't deserve to have the guns. The police are going by the Brady Law. Does everybody here support the Brady Law? If they do, then I RETRACT everything I have said. I was under the impression that I was among people that understood guns. And if you can understand guns, then most likely you are against the Brady Law.

So, I was searching for a reason for everybody, well almost everybody was putting me down. Now, I mentioned that the reason was because I am a minority, and now I get accused of playing the race card. Even though one poster can quote names of civil rights activists,and he isn't playing the race card.

One sided, that what it was all about. And, the point that I came back and stood up for what I thought was right,didn't go over either.

No need for me to start fresh, I have been fresh, up front and honest the whole time I have been in this forum. I have no hidden agenda. I am a bit kocky, but I give respect to others.

 

Ok, well then let me try a different approach this time around.

First, yes I absolutely disagree with the Brady law as well as most other gun laws because, in my opinion, they are unconstitutional.

However I could support specific types of gun laws. For example, if someone is a convicted felon who used a gun in a crime then I have no problem restricting them from ever owning a gun in their life, or in other words revoking their Second Amendment rights because they are not responsible enough to any longer have that right.

In cases such as yours, I would also support gun laws that would not allow an individual who practices irresponsible behavior during gun ownership to ever own guns again.

Now, if a person was to lose a gun, and immediately reported it lost or stolen then I would not have an issue with them because they were practicing at least “some” responsibility. If it was stolen then it was out of their control, if it was lost it WAS in their control but at least they were responsible enough to report it immediately.

From my understanding you had a gun or guns that had been lost for many years. I believe you stated you didn’t find out about one of them for almost 10 years, is that correct?

That being the case I find that to be irresponsible behavior and one in which I would favor a law to prohibit gun ownership. Other people I would like to see have their Second Amendment rights revoked would be people that can’t keep their weapons safe and away from children which, in my opinion, is irresponsible behavior.

It is the “irresponsible” behavior that would bring me to that conclusion and not ones race. I could be wrong, but I doubt it, but I do not think for a minute that losing guns is restricted to particular races of people nor irresponsible behavior in gun ownership.

It’s all about the “responsibility” and not about the “race”. I think you’re assuming or reading too much into other peoples post. Your post was looking for other people’s opinions and thoughts and that is what you received. While many may not be what you wanted to read they are what they are and it has absolutely nothing to do with race.

 

That is not at all why you got spanked for.

The reason you got spanked was the way that you presented your case.
From the first post in this thread, the way it was worded, it seemed like you simply laid your gun down and forgot where you put it or something. Yea this is going to upset a gun crowd severely. It's stuff like that, that makes the anti gun crowd want gun control for us and also gives them ammo to use to gain gun control on us. That is what stirred up the gun crowd and the anti gun crowd both. It wasn't until much later in the thread before you cleared up what you meant by lost. You could have been a formerly raped women now scared to go out in public. If she "lost" her gun (as you first painted the image for us) then she would get spanked too.

I have to say that it was quit an accomplishment for anybody to get the gun crowd (especially me) to even think about coming to any type of agreement together.
I am almost betting you did it deliberatly for some reason, though I can't figure out why. You never lied but you with held the truth for a long time with no apperant reason. Then you call the reaction to your action racism?
Sorry I just dont get it.

 

I can see where you may not have been at fault for the loss of the guns in the first place. I left some rare firearms with my family when I joined the Army. When I came back home they were gone. My step father had pawned them, in an alcoholic stupor, for 50 bucks each so that he could party. I never saw them again. They were likely picked up by a collector, and not some crook; so, I never will again. I thought I had left them somewhere safe. I was wrong. Most people don't grow up in bad situations; and, have no idea what kind of foolishness goes on in the world. I was lucky enough to play sports and have friends that had a good family, or I would never have known that there was a better way to live life. Unfortunately, it meant not being especially close to my family.

I can see where a man could lose a few hand guns quite easily if he trusts the wrong people with their care.

 

While I can see what you mean in this one statement. One has to wonder what happens to the person who is found guilty of a burglary or a rape while using a knife. Should they never be able to eat steak again, or have toast with butter, because they couldn't own a knife. Speaking of double standards, in the case of firearms there definatly seesm to be. The DUI driver that injured or worse yet killed someone is free to drive again. The person in the above knife scenerio is able to walk in to WallyWorld and pick up that new KaBar knife with no problem.

Don't even get me started on the damage that can be done with the old Louisville Slugger. When I was in school, I used to make nitesticks in shop class, the police, searching for alcohol would confiscate maybe 2 or 3 a week. Told me it was a weapon and took it with them, left the aluminum baseball bat though with out any problem.

i do agree with someone above that the information in this case has been hard to come by and sometimes i still don't think we have it all. But one can only make an argument for something with the facts that they are told, and speculation shouldn't be a part of the forming of the opinion.

 

Very good points about the knife, bat and other objects. While a valid argument could be made for specific items that could be used as weapons I look at it from a logical angle, at least to me.

I have a chance, maybe slight, but a chance nonetheless against someone with a knife, bat or other object that requires them to be within arms reach of me. With a gun I don’t have much of a chance as they, or I, could shoot from a distance, even 10 – 20 feet away, well out of an arms reach.

With a knife or bat I could pick up a chair and stand a fair chance of fighting them off whereas a chair may not do so well against someone with a gun.

I would much rather try to dodge on oncoming vehicle then an oncoming bullet. The vehicle I could see and it would be much slower then a bullet. May not be able to completely dodge a vehicle but I have a better chance then against a bullet.

So while other objects such as a knife, bat or what ever can also kill someone you still stand a much better chance of survival against all of them when compared to a gun. It’s truly an apples vs. oranges deal…

 

My dad told me when I was just a young Mag to run away from a knife, but dont run away form a gun. You can't out run a bullet son.
Pretty good advise I think.

 

I am sorry, but the above goes past being obsurb, or off the wall, or daggone wrong.

How can you, as a person that favors the lawful use of guns, CONDEM me for what you THINK was irresponsible and the POLICE have no problem with it???

I would really like to see your answer to that one.

In the meantime, your reply, no matter how sincere, fully supports my "double standard" theory.

In other words, my case was given to say 20 college students in about 7 different colleges, and told them to come up with who was right or wrong, IMO, your opinon would border the laughable. This is no put down, I am just trying to describe how far out your opinion is.

I do something that was perfectly legal at the time, but in your opinion it was irresponsible, but the police know it was legal, and you go beyond the unpopular gun law, and say I don't deserve my gun, or the right to own guns.

This goes beyond my first opinon of a double standard, your opinion makes the double standard that I mention look like child's play.

 

Well, I can agree with you. I am not good with the English language, spelling, and as you all can very well see, grammar too.

So, I didn't fully explain the whole thing in all the details. However, I did tell the basis for my action. I think I had already mentioned that I shot pistols in competition for a great many years, and that I also did some hunting too.

Then I came and said that I gave my guns to my relatives for safe keeping and upon returning, there was a problem finding them. It wasn't cut and dry as to say, the gun were lost. They told me that, the other relative had the guns, and they have gone off to "I don't know where". After a while tracking them down, they tell me that the other relative gave the guns to so an so.

Basically, I didn't think all those details were necessary. The fact of the matter was, I left the guns with relatives, and they were lost when I came back. Now, I will agree I should have reported them lost. But, I had a ton of things going on at that time, and the guns didn't take priority. However, I am still legat at that time, and IMO, still legal today.

About 10 years ago, when one of the guns was recovered, I told the police the same EXACT story of how the gun got out of my possesion. The police back then had NO PROBLEM with that and PROMPTLY returned my gun. The police now have no problem with the way the guns were lost, but the NEW and IMO badly configured BRADY LAW, has restricted me from getting my gun back. Go backward in 10 years in time, I wouldn't be going through this, I would have my gun back and end of story.

 

Double standard to what?

I don't agree with 01 this time, but I can gur-an-tee you that when he is convinced ANYONE was irresponsibable with thier guns then he would say the exact same thing to ANYONE else.
He is the last person to hold back to ANYONE on anything. I promise you it is not a double standard. If he was to go soft on you and treat you like a women then I would call him going soft. "Unless your wanting him to treat you differently than he treats everyone else?" maybe you want to be treated like a little women??? LOL

Just Kidding about wanting to be treated like a woman.
I hope! LOL

 

I hope everybody that has commented on this thread read this.

Thanks for sharing your SIMILIAR incident in this thread.

 

Please don't treat me like a woman!

Let me put it this way. Just like some posters have said, I didn't explain all the way, I think I did, and in my first post too. I gave all the important information. Gave guns to someone for safe keeping while I went away. Come back guns gone. Short, but that is the whole basis of my story. Some find fault in not reporting, I can understand that, but as far as I was concerned, I was thinking I was going to get my guns back from my relatives.

Let me say this, I have had wrong opinions before, after all we are not perfect. However, I still think I am on the better side with this one.

Well, for a person to say a person doesn't deserved the right to own guns, is a pretty servere put down. And to a gun lover too, it is blastemey(sp)

Now, if did something to harm somebody, or really criminal in nature, I could see that kind of put down. But, just like another poster has reported, he also has left his guns with relatives while he went overseas, and they were lost. How can this be so hard to understand? Not everybody is well to do, whereas they can afford the highest security resourses. But, everybody seems to think so. There are times when you have to use the resourses that you have. At that time I didn't have the money or resourses to put my guns in the bank or store them away at some armory until I returned.

 

I totally agree, 10 years ago not a problem, today shouldnt be a problem either. Sadly it is.

I was just noting that my first post in this thread was the 57th post to be placed in this thread and it wasnt until 16 post later "73rd post in this thread" before you explained what you meant by "you lost the guns"... and that was what had everyone (including myself) in an uproar about. Just the simple fact that until your 73rd post it seemed that you simply just negletently lost them some where. Wasn't until the 73rd post that we find out it wasn't neglegence. (bad karma maybe ) So I just do not see any double standard of any kind. If it would have been the President of the United States, telling it like you did... then he would have gotten spanked on here too.

 

I tottally agree I would have done the same thing with my guns too.

I think I stated in an earlier post where I had loaned a buddy a couple of guns. He was my best friend we spent more time together than we did with our wives. He got layed off from his job and needed to hunt to feed his family, so I loant him a few and the shells for them to feed his family. He had them for quit some time, I really wasnt worried about them, I knew where they were. BUT... similar thing happened he got a job out of state and his marriage of 17 years started to fail. I was here to witness it so I got my guns out of the house in the last minutes before they divorced. IF.... I hadn't been able to be here, then they would have likely gotten lost somewhere in the fuss.