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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Well, let’s see here. Let’s do the math and see where we end up…

2001 figures:

4.6 V8 – 220 hp @ 4750 – 265 ft-lb @ 4000
5.4 V8 – 260 hp @ 4500 – 350 ft-lb @ 2500 (non-supercharged)

So far we see the standard non-supercharged 5.4 “spools” up quicker then the 4.6, especial for torque which gets you off the line and out of the hole.

Now, let’s see who has the weight advantage. We will use the weight of the Lightning to see what might happen if the supercharger was taken off.

Lightning weight = 4670 lbs, if you took the supercharger off it probably weighs at least 70 lbs, but for the hell of it let’s leave the weight at 4670 lbs.

4.6 – 4475 lbs – 20.3 lbs per hp, 16.9 lbs per ft-lb
5.4 – 4670 lbs – 17.9 lbs per hp, 13.3 lbs per ft-lb

Not only does the 5.4 (non-supercharged) spool faster it also has more horse power per pound and more torque per pound of curb weight.

Well now, ain’t that something…

As the old saying goes...
There is no replacement for displacement!
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
You have to remember a Lightning is not a standard F150. It has the super duty brakes (bigger and weigh more then std F150), a super duty transmission that has beefier internals then a super duty (weighs more then a std super duty trans).

It has the supercharger but along with that is the intercooler, intercooler coolant tank, and air cooler up front like the transmission cooler up front. I believe it has a bigger capacity radiator (could be wrong on that one, but pretty sure)

It also has the 18”x 9 1/2” wheels which are wider then the stock F150 wheels, more weight there, as well as the tires. Sway bars up front and in the rear. Most likely a few other things I can recall at the moment…
Good points, but the 4wd has all the running gear (t-case, front axle, etc.) which i'm sure isn't light.
 

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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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Yeah, that's almost believable.....so my 2001 4x4 is lighter than a Lightning? Let's see, my title says my truck weighs 4358 pounds. You say a Lightning weighs 4670?? That must be one friggin' heavy supercharger!
this site says 4674lbs
http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/01fordlightning.html
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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According to edmunds the numbers everyone has given are right.

Vehicle: 1999 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning
Final Assembly: Oakville, (Toronto) Ontario, Canada
Drivetrain:5.4-liter, 2V SOHC supercharged V8, 360hp @ 4750 rpm, 440 ft-lbs. @ 3000 rpm; 4-speed automatic; RWD.
EPA rating: 13 mpg City / 17 mpg Highway
Curb Weight: 4670
Suspension: f-A-arm; r-live axle, w/antiroll bars; four-wheel disc brakes; ABS.
Tires / Wheels: P295/45ZR-18s on 18 x 9.5-inch wheels.

0-60 = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile @ trap speed = 14.4@101.1 mph
60-0 (braking) = 132.3 feet
200-ft. Skid pad G's = 0.83 g

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1997-2004 F150 2wd specs

Curb Weight, lbs.
crew cab = 4644
ext. cab long bed = 4658
ext. cab short bed = 4575
reg. cab long bed = 4339
reg. cab short bed = 4028
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Well, let’s see here. Let’s do the math and see where we end up…

2001 figures:

4.6 V8 – 220 hp @ 4750 – 265 ft-lb @ 4000
5.4 V8 – 260 hp @ 4500 – 350 ft-lb @ 2500 (non-supercharged)

So far we see the standard non-supercharged 5.4 “spools” up quicker then the 4.6, especial for torque which gets you off the line and out of the hole.

Now, let’s see who has the weight advantage. We will use the weight of the Lightning to see what might happen if the supercharger was taken off.

Lightning weight = 4670 lbs, if you took the supercharger off it probably weighs at least 70 lbs, but for the hell of it let’s leave the weight at 4670 lbs.

4.6 – 4475 lbs – 20.3 lbs per hp, 16.9 lbs per ft-lb
5.4 – 4670 lbs – 17.9 lbs per hp, 13.3 lbs per ft-lb

Not only does the 5.4 (non-supercharged) spool faster it also has more horse power per pound and more torque per pound of curb weight.


Well now, ain’t that something…
where do u get ur numbers from the top of ur head??
http://www.fordf150.net/specs/engines.php

but just so u know the engine with the shortest stroke in all cases will spool up faster then one with a half inch longer stroke.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
According to edmunds the numbers everyone has given are right.

Vehicle: 1999 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning
Final Assembly: Oakville, (Toronto) Ontario, Canada
Drivetrain:5.4-liter, 2V SOHC supercharged V8, 360hp @ 4750 rpm, 440 ft-lbs. @ 3000 rpm; 4-speed automatic; RWD.
EPA rating: 13 mpg City / 17 mpg Highway
Curb Weight: 4670
Suspension: f-A-arm; r-live axle, w/antiroll bars; four-wheel disc brakes; ABS.
Tires / Wheels: P295/45ZR-18s on 18 x 9.5-inch wheels.

0-60 = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile @ trap speed = 14.4@101.1 mph
60-0 (braking) = 132.3 feet
200-ft. Skid pad G's = 0.83 g

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on auto.consumerguide.com,

1997-2004 F150 2wd specs

Curb Weight, lbs.
crew cab = 4644
ext. cab long bed = 4658
ext. cab short bed = 4575
reg. cab long bed = 4339
reg. cab short bed = 4028
thx
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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1999 4wd F150's

Base model
Curb Weight - Automatic Transmission (lb.)

Reg. Cab Long Bed WS 4WD = 4418
Reg. Cab Short Bed WS 4WD = 4334
SuperCab Long Bed WS 4WD = 4836
SuperCab Short Bed WS 4WD = 4643

Base Model
Curb Weight - Manual transmission (lb.)

Reg. Cab Long Bed WS 4WD = 4383
Reg. Cab Short Bed WS 4WD = 4299
SuperCab Long Bed WS 4WD = 4806
SuperCab Short Bed WS 4WD = 4613


XL Model
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.)

XL Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = 4360
XL Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = 4441
XL Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = 4357
XL SuperCab Flareside 4WD = 4668
XL SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = 4859
XL SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = 4666

XL Model
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.)

XL Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = 4325
XL Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = 4406
XL Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = 4322
XL SuperCab Flareside 4WD = 4638
XL SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = 4829
XL SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = 4636

XLT Model
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.)

XLT Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = 4426
XLT Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = 4484
XLT Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = 4400
XLT SuperCab Flareside 4WD = 4734
XLT SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = 4902
XLT SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = 4709

XLT Model
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.)

XLT Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = 4391
XLT Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = 4449
XLT Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = 4365
XLT SuperCab Flareside 4WD = 4704
XLT SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = 4872
XLT SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = 4679

Lariat Model
Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.)

Lariat Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = 4654
Lariat Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = 4712
Lariat Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = 4628
Lariat SuperCab Flareside 4WD = 4887
Lariat SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = 5055
Lariat SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = 4862

Lariat Model
Curb Weight - Manual (lb.)

Lariat Reg. Cab Flareside 4WD = N/A
Lariat Reg. Cab Long Bed 4WD = N/A
Lariat Reg. Cab Short Bed 4WD = N/A
Lariat SuperCab Flareside 4WD = N/A
Lariat SuperCab Long Bed 4WD = N/A
Lariat SuperCab Short Bed 4WD = N/A

Who would have thought, 236 lb difference between a similar base model with no options and a loaded Lariat.
Since they have the same engines and drive trains, a cheaper bottum of the line base model is going to be slightly quicker right out of the box on average too!

Now I'm wishing that I wouldn't have paid the extra cash for the XLT!
 

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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
According to edmunds the numbers everyone has given are right.

Vehicle: 1999 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning
Final Assembly: Oakville, (Toronto) Ontario, Canada
Drivetrain:5.4-liter, 2V SOHC supercharged V8, 360hp @ 4750 rpm, 440 ft-lbs. @ 3000 rpm; 4-speed automatic; RWD.
EPA rating: 13 mpg City / 17 mpg Highway
Curb Weight: 4670
Suspension: f-A-arm; r-live axle, w/antiroll bars; four-wheel disc brakes; ABS.
Tires / Wheels: P295/45ZR-18s on 18 x 9.5-inch wheels.

0-60 = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile @ trap speed = 14.4@101.1 mph
60-0 (braking) = 132.3 feet
200-ft. Skid pad G's = 0.83 g

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on auto.consumerguide.com,

1997-2004 F150 2wd specs

Curb Weight, lbs.
crew cab = 4644
ext. cab long bed = 4658
ext. cab short bed = 4575
reg. cab long bed = 4339
reg. cab short bed = 4028


Well i'll be a son-of-a-*itch! I guess I was wrong. I honestly would have never thought my 4WD was lighter than a Lightning!

See Faster150, it's ok to admit when your wrong (just like I did here). It's hard to dispute the facts when you see them (just like how a 5.4 will whoop a 4.6 in the same exact STOCK vehicle), isn't that correct Faster150?
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by oldnnew
Well i'll be a son-of-a-*itch! I guess I was wrong. I honestly would have never thought my 4WD was lighter than a Lightning!

See Faster150, it's ok to admit when your wrong (just like I did here). It's hard to dispute the facts when you see them (just like how a 5.4 will whoop a 4.6 in the same exact STOCK vehicle), isn't that correct Faster150?

never have found that to be true in any of my races. only 5.4 i lost to was a bolt on lightning running 12's but i did get em off the line lol but after the 60 ft mark it was rapage:-p
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 03:10 PM
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Numbers from a few sites:

Site below shows a 4.6 with 220 – 231hp, 290 – 293 ft-lbs
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewspecs/

Didn’t get them from my head just a little research. However it appears the site I got my numbers from were listed for a 2001 while the site you provided below shows the exact same numbers I used but list them for a 2000. Could be one of the websites is wrong.

This site, the one you posted is wrong:
http://www.fordf150.net/specs/engines.php

It shows a 4.6 and a 5.4 with the same exact hp and torque ratings at the same rpm’s. Not possible, so you can go with the following:

4.6 – 231 hp @ 4750, 293 ft-lbs @ 3500
5.4 – 260 hp @ 4500, 360 ft-lbs @ 2500
5.4 – 380 hp @ 4750, 450 ft-lbs @ 3250 (supercharged) specs from: http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html

Therefore it once again proves the 5.4 (longer stroke) “spools” up faster then the 4.6 (shorter stroke).

Look where the peak numbers are at in correlation to the rpms. That is the “spool” up you refer to.

So again the math:

4.6 – 4475 lbs – 19.4 lbs per hp, 15.3 lbs per ft-lb
5.4 – 4700 lbs – 18.1 lbs per hp, 13.0 lbs per ft-lb
5.4 – 4700 lbs – 12.4 lbs per hp, 10.4 lbs per ft-lb (supercharged)

So as you can see even the normal 5.4 F150 “spools” faster and would win nicely…
 

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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
According to edmunds the numbers everyone has given are right.

Vehicle: 1999 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning
Final Assembly: Oakville, (Toronto) Ontario, Canada
Drivetrain:5.4-liter, 2V SOHC supercharged V8, 360hp @ 4750 rpm, 440 ft-lbs. @ 3000 rpm; 4-speed automatic; RWD.
EPA rating: 13 mpg City / 17 mpg Highway
Curb Weight: 4670
Suspension: f-A-arm; r-live axle, w/antiroll bars; four-wheel disc brakes; ABS.
Tires / Wheels: P295/45ZR-18s on 18 x 9.5-inch wheels.

0-60 = 6.2 seconds
1/4 mile @ trap speed = 14.4@101.1 mph
60-0 (braking) = 132.3 feet
200-ft. Skid pad G's = 0.83 g
Who ever drove that must have not known what they were doing and had no idea of how to drive. That, or it was 100 degrees out, 98% humidity, and they have a 2.4 60’ time…

The worst I ever got in mine was on a 92 degree day with 85% humidity and a 2.0 60’ time and still managed a 13.71 @ 102mph

*** Just realized that the above numbers for the Lightning are for the 360hp motor in the 2000 & 2001 models. In 2002 it got the 380hp motor.
 

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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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I think the 0-60 he is talking about is seconds not feet. I do about 1.8 60 ft time but when i put better shocks on i hope to be around 1.6
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 04:07 PM
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hell no, he ain't doing 0-6 in 6.2. i guess its a typo.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Who ever drove that must have not known what they were doing and had no idea of how to drive. That, or it was 100 degrees out, 98% humidity, and they have a 2.4 60’ time…

The worst I ever got in mine was on a 92 degree day with 85% humidity and a 2.0 60’ time and still managed a 13.71 @ 102mph

*** Just realized that the above numbers for the Lightning are for the 360hp motor in the 2000 & 2001 models. In 2002 it got the 380hp motor.
Yea I was trying to compare same year to same year. But I couldn't find those numbers for a stock 2wd.




Faster,
I test drove 2-5 trucks a week for 2 months before I bought mine. I can say that all the 4.6L's that I drove felt more like the 4.3 vortec V6 in the lighter chevies. They did run fair, but non of them were quit enough motor for a body that weighs over 2 tons. Now you can supe them up and make them run better than stock, but it takes quit abit just to make it compete with a stock 5.4L. When the 5.4 starts out running better. You add the same parts to it and you get even more power still for the same $$$'s.
I have drove my brothers and several of my bosses 4.6's since I've had mine. The difference is night and day. Non of them have ever raced me because everytime they drive mine for what ever reason they climb out of my truck grinning saying, "OH MY GOD!".

An old man in a caddy on the interstate at an 80 mph start, is the only one to litterally own me.




On another note,
I'm not sure my 5.4 complies with the stats, I am going to get it dynoed after christmas so I can start adding performance. I can let you al know what it shows. But everyone says it's suppose to be peaking at 4500 rpm.... Feels like I am losing way before 4500 rpm. @ 5000 I am letting off the throttle to make it shift. I'm hoping Troyer can fix that as well as stiffen up the shifts. But only after I get it dynoed for a base line.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 04:25 PM
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hell no, he ain't doing 0-6 in 6.2. i guess its a typo.

wow i figured this whole thread would go to someone trying to bash one another i guess thats one reason i dont post much here anymore.. seems like alot of u have nothing better to do with ur life then to try to put someone down or argue.after i clearly stated in my original post please keep the rude/negative and ignorant comments to yourselves
 
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