Going Jamzwayne Korean-Style
Originally Posted by Faster150
TKD sux... simple as that...
While far from the best style, tradition TKD is effective and not 'sux'. Keep in mind I'm not talking about effectiveness in those fighting championships, just the average person.
As for the latest revision of TKD thats taught in a majority of schools, well Tae Bo has nothing on that for a good workout

And before anyone mentions it, yes grappling and basic striking is the best way to go for self defense.
Let me point out that while the feats displayed and the speed of the movement is most impressive to me as well as the power of the kicks and the left handed strikes. The feats witnessed there are a well coordinated dance. It would be hard pressed to find an aplication for most any in a real world street fight. Much less get the oppurtunity to use them if they did happen to see an object they could use to pull them off and think of it fast enough to use it. Once they recived a blow with out protective equipment they would be in shock and the opposing person would have control for the next 10 seconds before they would gain thier composure. 10 Seconds is a long time to let someone have control and a lot of damage can be done in 10 seconds.
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class. Do your home work, the class won't hurt. But if it is improperly taught it could be setting you or them up to teach just enough the student will think thay are mean. Then go out and get yourself or them hurt bad. (which ever applies)
Happens all the time in the military after HTHC training.
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class. Do your home work, the class won't hurt. But if it is improperly taught it could be setting you or them up to teach just enough the student will think thay are mean. Then go out and get yourself or them hurt bad. (which ever applies)
Happens all the time in the military after HTHC training.
Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Let me point out that while the feats displayed and the speed of the movement is most impressive to me as well as the power of the kicks and the left handed strikes. The feats witnessed there are a well coordinated dance. It would be hard pressed to find an aplication for most any in a real world street fight. Much less get the oppurtunity to use them if they did happen to see an object they could use to pull them off and think of it fast enough to use it. Once they recived a blow with out protective equipment they would be in shock and the opposing person would have control for the next 10 seconds before they would gain thier composure. 10 Seconds is a long time to let someone have control and a lot of damage can be done in 10 seconds.
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class. Do your home work, the class won't hurt. But if it is improperly taught it could be setting you or them up to teach just enough the student will think thay are mean. Then go out and get yourself or them hurt bad. (which ever applies)
Happens all the time in the military after HTHC training.
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class. Do your home work, the class won't hurt. But if it is improperly taught it could be setting you or them up to teach just enough the student will think thay are mean. Then go out and get yourself or them hurt bad. (which ever applies)
Happens all the time in the military after HTHC training.
amen to that... which is why i say TKD sux... makes most of em think their bad asses. my friend steph is a 2nd degree she's a year older then me and i could take her down simple with one hand. but ive been studying martial arts for going on 15 years now... and jeet kun do is what i prefer which is self taught.. most effective and efficient
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Originally Posted by jamzwayne
I hate the fact that jamzwayne = violence. I am not a violent person.


Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
... Once they recived a blow with out protective equipment they would be in shock and the opposing person would have control for the next 10 seconds before they would gain thier composure. 10 Seconds is a long time to let someone have control and a lot of damage can be done in 10 seconds.
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class...
Before you go sign you or your kids up for a class...
For whats it's worth though, I remember back in my sparring days I usually wished we didn't have the equipment. It hindered movement and I never really found it to be that protective.
And the moral of the story: flashy is fun and impressive but not effective
TKD doesn't suck...it has a use as an ART and, given the correct set of circumstances, can be effective for self defense.
That said, the Army initiated a study several years ago and found (drum roll, please)...that 80-90% of all fights end up on the ground within the first 5-10 seconds. Therefore, they began searching for a more useful martial art / fighting style (especially when the Army leaders considered that most of the time soldiers would have 30 lbs or more of equipment on when they went hand-to-hand with someone...round house kicks simply aren't going to work when you're wearing an LBE, assault pack, etc). They also wanted something that could both incapacitate or kill, depending on how applied and the situation, without the precision that most of the other M-As require.
What they found was that jiu-jitsu was most effective because it is primarily a ground-based fighting style. The Army has instituted jiu-jitsu in the manuals and train it in several of the Army schools. It has flaws, but works pretty well for the average person.
Additionally, some of the other fighting styles are taught as well (like TKD in Korea), but the emphasis is on jiu-jitsu because it is pretty easy to learn, you don't need great flex, and it fits with out mission. My Brigade actually paid the Gracie brothers (I can't remember the names) to come to Korea and teach train-the-trainer to the NCOs and officers...at around $25,000 per week or so. It was money well spent, because the 100 or so guys trained in turn trained over 1000 more.
Anyway, thought this might be of interest.
That said, the Army initiated a study several years ago and found (drum roll, please)...that 80-90% of all fights end up on the ground within the first 5-10 seconds. Therefore, they began searching for a more useful martial art / fighting style (especially when the Army leaders considered that most of the time soldiers would have 30 lbs or more of equipment on when they went hand-to-hand with someone...round house kicks simply aren't going to work when you're wearing an LBE, assault pack, etc). They also wanted something that could both incapacitate or kill, depending on how applied and the situation, without the precision that most of the other M-As require.
What they found was that jiu-jitsu was most effective because it is primarily a ground-based fighting style. The Army has instituted jiu-jitsu in the manuals and train it in several of the Army schools. It has flaws, but works pretty well for the average person.
Additionally, some of the other fighting styles are taught as well (like TKD in Korea), but the emphasis is on jiu-jitsu because it is pretty easy to learn, you don't need great flex, and it fits with out mission. My Brigade actually paid the Gracie brothers (I can't remember the names) to come to Korea and teach train-the-trainer to the NCOs and officers...at around $25,000 per week or so. It was money well spent, because the 100 or so guys trained in turn trained over 1000 more.
Anyway, thought this might be of interest.


