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Frank-
your mouth is in the process of writing a check that your a$$ can't cash. Might be time for you to tone down the rhetoric. If you quit looking through those hate-filled glasses, you might notice that Jordan drives a Ford Expy. As for the rest of your spew, well... nevermind.
your mouth is in the process of writing a check that your a$$ can't cash. Might be time for you to tone down the rhetoric. If you quit looking through those hate-filled glasses, you might notice that Jordan drives a Ford Expy. As for the rest of your spew, well... nevermind.
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your mouth is in the process of writing a check that your a$$ can't cash
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From: Somewhere near the back of beyond
Originally posted by wittom
All F150's weren't always built in the US. Mine was built in Canada...
All F150's weren't always built in the US. Mine was built in Canada...
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From: south western NYS Latitude: 42.34 N, Longitude: 78.46 W
BIG ((((HUGS)))) all around!!!! live is to short guys relax. Mine was made in canada also and if its anything like the beer then yummmmmmy. Good fishin in canada with my ford made in canada and a cold beer made in canada damm sounds okay to me.
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From: The LBC (Long Beach, CA)
Take a few deep breaths...feel the love...
Well, we've got a total of 13 Ford vehicles amongst 7 family members. So I guess we're just more patriotic than you Frank .
By not buying more Fords, you are also putting Americans out of work
So please do your part and buy some more haha
I'm not going to argue with you, bro. Your opinion is yours, mine is mine, and, well, we can certainly agree to disagree.
Even if I'm right
Well, we've got a total of 13 Ford vehicles amongst 7 family members. So I guess we're just more patriotic than you Frank .
By not buying more Fords, you are also putting Americans out of work
So please do your part and buy some more hahaI'm not going to argue with you, bro. Your opinion is yours, mine is mine, and, well, we can certainly agree to disagree.
Even if I'm right
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Correct me if I'm wrong...but the way I understand it is that the only reason the Japanese build vehicles here is not because they love Americans, but because it's cheaper for them to do so. Aren't the labor rates higher in Japan? Aren't our import taxes higher for fully-assembled vehicles than for parts?
With that being said...what's to prevent the Japanese from producing and importing vehicles from...say...China or India once they force the American auto makers out of business? Could they absorb the import taxes in exchange for much lower labor rates in third world countries?
Is anybody here well versed in economics? Could this happen?
MR
With that being said...what's to prevent the Japanese from producing and importing vehicles from...say...China or India once they force the American auto makers out of business? Could they absorb the import taxes in exchange for much lower labor rates in third world countries?
Is anybody here well versed in economics? Could this happen?
MR
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Import tariffs protect American jobs.
There is a 25% import tax added to foreign made pickup trucks.
If the big three and the Japanese all built $20,000 trucks,
the foreign trucks would be $25,000 and could not compete.
That is why Nissan, Toyota, etc.. opened plants in the US.
If they were to drive the US manufacturers out of business and then move their operation to China....well, that would be a stretch but, why would we tariff something we no longer make? It wouldn't make sense to penalize the US consumer with a higher price for a Japanese product, made by a Chinaman when no US employee is adversely impacted.
Al lot of the US jobs that have gone overseas already, at the hands of US corporations not foreign entities, and I see no special taxes/tariffs to stifle it.
Why are auto manufacturers sacred?
There is a 25% import tax added to foreign made pickup trucks.
If the big three and the Japanese all built $20,000 trucks,
the foreign trucks would be $25,000 and could not compete.
That is why Nissan, Toyota, etc.. opened plants in the US.
If they were to drive the US manufacturers out of business and then move their operation to China....well, that would be a stretch but, why would we tariff something we no longer make? It wouldn't make sense to penalize the US consumer with a higher price for a Japanese product, made by a Chinaman when no US employee is adversely impacted.
Al lot of the US jobs that have gone overseas already, at the hands of US corporations not foreign entities, and I see no special taxes/tariffs to stifle it.
Why are auto manufacturers sacred?
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From: SW MO
Originally posted by Raoul
Al lot of the US jobs that have gone overseas already, at the hands of US corporations not foreign entities, and I see no special taxes/tariffs to stifle it.
Why are auto manufacturers sacred?
Al lot of the US jobs that have gone overseas already, at the hands of US corporations not foreign entities, and I see no special taxes/tariffs to stifle it.
Why are auto manufacturers sacred?
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The truck tariff has been around for 40 years in one form or another.I had Toyota pickup in the Eighties, there were two kinds of bed, American bed in which the side rails curled inward like todays pickups,
and the Japanese bed, where the side rails curled out.
Toyota wasn't making trucks in the US back then.
The tariff was on complete trucks, not Cab and chassis models, so Toyota just sent the cab/chassis here and put on the 'American' bed.
Some Toyotas came complete, 'Japanese' bed, and Toyota just 'ate' the tariff cost,
Which could be done in mid 1980s.
Anyone remember the commercial....
"Sakes Alive! Sakes Alive! Only Mazda's got a truck, for just $5995!" ?
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Originally posted by Jordan not Mike
Here's a little perspective:
I used to work for Lexus ad agency, and was a writer for Toyota & Lexus sales training materials.
There are hundreds of thousands of Americans that depend on this company, and others like it, for their livlihoods. To put food on the table, to keep a roof over their heads.
Add-in dealership employees - dealerships are all independent businesses - and suppliers, and you've got darn near a million Americans earning a good wage here.
Plants in several states, in areas that were economically devastated before the car business arrived. We're talking 40% unemployment, $5/hour average wages, going to near-full employment and $25/hour jobs. The quality of life has skyrocketed for many areas.
Design centers and technical centers in the US that employ thousands of designers and engineers. Lots of American suppliers, too.
Point being, it's a global economy. Toyota is a public company. Profits go to shareholders the world over. They do not "go to Japan." Same with Ford, GM and every other publicly-held company.
Plant workers make approximately the same wage around the country. Similar benefits. they are good jobs. If the wages/benefits were far below union wages, the plants would unionize in a hurry. But getting another $1/hour at a UAW plant - money that goes right back to the union - doesn't mean that union workers make more money.
And with the domestics trying to close plants due to overcapacity, while the imports are BUILDING plants and hiring people, well...
Where a compay is headquartered means very little in a worldwide economy.
That being said, I choose to buy American iron. But to even imply that folks are somehow "un-american" when they buy other goods makes no sense.
Here's a little perspective:
I used to work for Lexus ad agency, and was a writer for Toyota & Lexus sales training materials.
There are hundreds of thousands of Americans that depend on this company, and others like it, for their livlihoods. To put food on the table, to keep a roof over their heads.
Add-in dealership employees - dealerships are all independent businesses - and suppliers, and you've got darn near a million Americans earning a good wage here.
Plants in several states, in areas that were economically devastated before the car business arrived. We're talking 40% unemployment, $5/hour average wages, going to near-full employment and $25/hour jobs. The quality of life has skyrocketed for many areas.
Design centers and technical centers in the US that employ thousands of designers and engineers. Lots of American suppliers, too.
Point being, it's a global economy. Toyota is a public company. Profits go to shareholders the world over. They do not "go to Japan." Same with Ford, GM and every other publicly-held company.
Plant workers make approximately the same wage around the country. Similar benefits. they are good jobs. If the wages/benefits were far below union wages, the plants would unionize in a hurry. But getting another $1/hour at a UAW plant - money that goes right back to the union - doesn't mean that union workers make more money.
And with the domestics trying to close plants due to overcapacity, while the imports are BUILDING plants and hiring people, well...
Where a compay is headquartered means very little in a worldwide economy.
That being said, I choose to buy American iron. But to even imply that folks are somehow "un-american" when they buy other goods makes no sense.
Very well said!
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From: The LBC (Long Beach, CA)
Originally posted by MROLDV8
Correct me if I'm wrong...but the way I understand it is that the only reason the Japanese build vehicles here is not because they love Americans, but because it's cheaper for them to do so.
Correct me if I'm wrong...but the way I understand it is that the only reason the Japanese build vehicles here is not because they love Americans, but because it's cheaper for them to do so.
When the dollar rises and falls versus foreign currency (yen, Euro, whatever), it can have huge bottom-line consequences.
The strong Euro is killing the profitability of European makes (VW, BMW, Mercedes, etc.). They deperately need the dollar to gain strength.
I really don't think that any company is overtly trying to force the domestics out of business. Countless research has proven that the domestics' share of US auto sales fell because of decades of non-competitive products.
Thankfully, this is changing as newer, better and more-competitive products are being produced. It just takes time to regain consumer confidence
Say what you will, but I like the new 300 from Chrysler. And so does the public - it's selling in droves, and they can't make enough Hemi engines.
But then you look at crap like the Aztek and wonder why no one buys it...