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Marine kills unarmed Iraqi
Well, that's how it's being partrayed on TV anyway....
Had I been in his shoes, I'd probably have popped a cap in his **** too. If he's playing dead, you never know, he may have tried to kill someone when their back was turned, or been a suicide bomber.
I realize the goal is to limit causalties (To the enemy's side), but this could have been risky. They showed this on TV, so I know this didn't win us any friends in the world today- But, as a former soldier, knowing the inherent danger of urban warfare from many cycles through the mock cities against (Op-For); I probably would have asked him to surrender- and if he didn't I'd have capped his butt to save myself and my men. Marines were discussing how teh other group probably almost got blown away by tanks, so they enter the home, find a guy "playing dead", pops a cap in him, then say- "He's dead now". (Read on)
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U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi
1 hour, 39 minutes ago Middle East - AP
By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - A U.S. Marine shot and killed a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, according to dramatic pool television pictures broadcast Monday. A Marine spokesman in Washington said the shooting was under investigation.
The shooting Saturday was videotaped by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other previously wounded prisoners in the mosque apparently also had been shot again by the Marines inside the mosque.
The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.
Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.
The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq (news - web sites) with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.
On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.
The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out but the report of the rifle could be heard.
The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.
Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.
The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.
Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.
Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.
The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.
A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon (news - web sites), Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.
The CNN broadcast of the pictures used pixilation to cover parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.
NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marines identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."
In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of the "graphic nature" of the video.
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Had I been in his shoes, I'd probably have popped a cap in his **** too. If he's playing dead, you never know, he may have tried to kill someone when their back was turned, or been a suicide bomber.
I realize the goal is to limit causalties (To the enemy's side), but this could have been risky. They showed this on TV, so I know this didn't win us any friends in the world today- But, as a former soldier, knowing the inherent danger of urban warfare from many cycles through the mock cities against (Op-For); I probably would have asked him to surrender- and if he didn't I'd have capped his butt to save myself and my men. Marines were discussing how teh other group probably almost got blown away by tanks, so they enter the home, find a guy "playing dead", pops a cap in him, then say- "He's dead now". (Read on)
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U.S. to Probe Shooting of Wounded Iraqi
1 hour, 39 minutes ago Middle East - AP
By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - A U.S. Marine shot and killed a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner in a mosque in the former insurgent stronghold of Fallujah, according to dramatic pool television pictures broadcast Monday. A Marine spokesman in Washington said the shooting was under investigation.
The shooting Saturday was videotaped by pool correspondent Kevin Sites of NBC television, who said three other previously wounded prisoners in the mosque apparently also had been shot again by the Marines inside the mosque.
The incident played out as the Marines 3rd Battalion, 1st Regiment, returned to the unidentified Fallujah mosque Saturday. Sites was embedded with the unit.
Sites reported that a different Marine unit had come under fire from the mosque on Friday. Those Marines stormed the building, killing ten men and wounding five others, Sites said. The Marines said the fighters in the mosque had been armed with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles.
The Marines had treated the wounded, he reported, left them behind and continued on Friday with their drive to retake the city from insurgents who have been battling U.S.-led occupation forces in Iraq (news - web sites) with increasing ferocity and violence in recent months.
On the video as the camera moved into the mosque during the Saturday incident, a Marine can be heard shouting obscenities in the background, yelling that one of the men was only pretending to be dead.
The video then showed a Marine raising his rifle toward a prisoner laying on the floor of the mosque but neither NBC nor CNN showed the bullet hitting the man. At that moment the video was blacked out but the report of the rifle could be heard.
The blacked out portion of the video tape, provided later to Associated Press Television News and other members of the network pool, showed the bullet striking the man in the upper body, possibly the head. His blood splatters on the wall behind him and his body goes limp.
Sites reported a Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.
The events on the videotape began as some of the Marines from the unit accompanied by Sites approached the mosque on Saturday, a day after it was stormed by other Marines.
Gunfire can be heard from inside the mosque, and at its entrance, Marines who were already in the building emerge. They are asked by an approaching Marine lieutenant if there were insurgents inside and if the Marines had shot any of them. A Marine can be heard responding affirmatively. The lieutenant then asks if they were armed and fellow Marine shrugs.
Sites' account said the wounded men, who he said were prisoners and who were hurt in the previous day's attack, had been shot again by the Marines on the Saturday visit.
The videotape showed two of the wounded men propped against the wall and Sites said they were bleeding to death. According his report, a third wounded man appeared already dead, while a fourth was severely wounded but breathing. The fifth was covered by a blanket but did not appear to have been shot again after the Marines returned. It was the fourth man who was shown being shot.
A spokesman at Marine Corps headquarters in the Pentagon (news - web sites), Maj. Doug Powell, said the incident was "being investigated." He had no further details, other than to confirm the incident happened on Saturday and that the Marines involved were part of the 1st Marine Division.
The CNN broadcast of the pictures used pixilation to cover parts of the video that could lead to public identification of the Marines involved.
NBC's Robert Padavick told members of the U.S. television pool that the Pentagon had ordered NBC and other pool members to make sure the Marines identity was hidden because "they (the military authorities) are anticipating a criminal investigation as a result of this incident and do not want to implicate anybody ahead of that."
In New York, NBC spokeswoman Allison Gollust said the network did not broadcast the prisoner being shot because of the "graphic nature" of the video.
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This is real war...He did nothing wrong...Just what he was send there to do...I saw the video and anyone put in that spot would do the same to protect their lifes...
The US have lost too many good men to these killers who want to die for the right to go to their heaven...War is a dirty business...
The US have lost too many good men to these killers who want to die for the right to go to their heaven...War is a dirty business...
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shoot to kill. shoot or be killed. hesitate and your dead. playin possum and your dead. leave the marine alone and go do a story on all the damm beheadings and bring them to justice. a-holes
man i wish i could go back i would in a fast heartbeat...
man i wish i could go back i would in a fast heartbeat...
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Watch...They're probably going to make a whipping boy out of that Marine. Far as I'm concerned, they should give him a medal and get rid of those imbedded reporters while they're at it. Let our boys do the job they were trained to without the whiney-assed do-gooders getting in the way. I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble for this.
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Originally posted by MROLDV8
Watch...They're probably going to make a whipping boy out of that Marine. Far as I'm concerned, they should give him a medal and get rid of those imbedded reporters while they're at it. Let our boys do the job they were trained to without the whiney-assed do-gooders getting in the way. I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble for this.
MR
Watch...They're probably going to make a whipping boy out of that Marine. Far as I'm concerned, they should give him a medal and get rid of those imbedded reporters while they're at it. Let our boys do the job they were trained to without the whiney-assed do-gooders getting in the way. I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble for this.
MR
I was just gettin' ready to say that.
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erban warfare is the scareist thing i have ever had to do, you have all these cevilians around you and you dont know witch one is the guy with a bomb in his pants or a gun, the sad thing is civilians die they get scared too, you tell someone to stop their car and they are soo scared they hit the gas instead of the brake and it apears that they tried to ram you so you and three other of your marines open fire, it will be along time before i will forget the things i did or saw, but that is war and this marine should not be punished
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I'm not going to judge the marine until the facts come out. I heard that he was just playing dead. I couldn't tell if the insurgent was reaching for something or not. I do know that I have never been in combat. I would wager that I would be trigger happy after all the fighting they've been doing the last week.
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Its war people die... hopefully alot more on thier side then our side to the point where they will just give up. (Doubt it) That Marine did nothing wrong but do his job. One more dead enemy means one less suicide bomber to worry about.
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They will most likely make an example out of him because of some of the whiners here in America and around the world. It will go something like:
”The poor injured man was unarmed and there was no reason whatsoever to shoot him, they should have gave him medical attention, blah, blah, blah”
To those wuss bags I would say:
Oh well so sad another terrorist is dead and I am very proud of the Marine that capped his *** and hope others follow in his footsteps.
Here is the thing these are terrorist, not soldiers, but terrorist who will kill every single chance they have. They will kill mothers, brothers, sisters and if they had the opportunity they would walk into a nursery at a hospital filled with newborns and either shot every baby they saw or cut their head off so I don’t really give a rats *** if a Marine pops a cap in every single injured terrorist they come across.
Here is the problem we currently have, the terrorist can “try” to fight to the death but if they are unsuccessful they get medical treatment, nice hot meals and basically treated like Kings in our custody. What kind of stupid logic is that? They have it great both ways, they die and get some used up virgin or they get treated like a King in the hands of their enemy so they really have nothing to lose.
We need to rethink that logic so they know “IF” they are going to take on American troops they had better die trying because if we get our hands on them we will slaughter their wuss bag *** right there and then, no if, ands or butts about it they will get what they wished for which is they WILL fight to the death…
The rules should be that no terrorist shall be left alive if they are still breathing then you have not accomplished your mission. This may sound harsh to some but the objective of the war on terror is NOT to injury and make nice with terrorist but to KILL them all which is the same as bringing them to justice.
To the Marine that shot that injuried wuss bag terrorist I say “Well done son, well done…”
”The poor injured man was unarmed and there was no reason whatsoever to shoot him, they should have gave him medical attention, blah, blah, blah”
To those wuss bags I would say:
Oh well so sad another terrorist is dead and I am very proud of the Marine that capped his *** and hope others follow in his footsteps.
Here is the thing these are terrorist, not soldiers, but terrorist who will kill every single chance they have. They will kill mothers, brothers, sisters and if they had the opportunity they would walk into a nursery at a hospital filled with newborns and either shot every baby they saw or cut their head off so I don’t really give a rats *** if a Marine pops a cap in every single injured terrorist they come across.
Here is the problem we currently have, the terrorist can “try” to fight to the death but if they are unsuccessful they get medical treatment, nice hot meals and basically treated like Kings in our custody. What kind of stupid logic is that? They have it great both ways, they die and get some used up virgin or they get treated like a King in the hands of their enemy so they really have nothing to lose.
We need to rethink that logic so they know “IF” they are going to take on American troops they had better die trying because if we get our hands on them we will slaughter their wuss bag *** right there and then, no if, ands or butts about it they will get what they wished for which is they WILL fight to the death…
The rules should be that no terrorist shall be left alive if they are still breathing then you have not accomplished your mission. This may sound harsh to some but the objective of the war on terror is NOT to injury and make nice with terrorist but to KILL them all which is the same as bringing them to justice.
To the Marine that shot that injuried wuss bag terrorist I say “Well done son, well done…”
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This entire story is rediculous... There have been countless other Iraquis killed that were a lot more innocent then this a-hole. If we want to put on the white hat and pretend to be concerned about killing innocent Iraqis, we could have come up with a lot better examples on day one last March when the bombing began. If anything, he was putting the guy out of his misery, as the reports I have seen stated he had already been shot and laying there for a day.
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Yeah, before any of us, myself included, judge this guy, we should all walk a mile in his boots! The bleeding hearts need something to whine about, this gives them something to do with thier time. 
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he was armed trying to kill earlier......
and the possibility of booby-trapped insurgents is real,... resulted in the killing of a Marine in his unit just a day before, war is hell, and he made a decision that insured his survival., if he went to secure him as a prisoner he could be another dead Marine. Until grunts are sure dead bodies and wounded insurgents are not straped to bombs I would hope the Marines do what is required to survive.
and the possibility of booby-trapped insurgents is real,... resulted in the killing of a Marine in his unit just a day before, war is hell, and he made a decision that insured his survival., if he went to secure him as a prisoner he could be another dead Marine. Until grunts are sure dead bodies and wounded insurgents are not straped to bombs I would hope the Marines do what is required to survive.