Whose class are you attending? They are giving you BAD information. We do not know if the useless and lazy homeless person is a liberal or not and NOBODY cares if he/she is a liberal. What is important to know is that they made a choice and we should respect that choice because who are we to judge that persons choice to become useless and lazy.

The liberal thing comes into play from those that wish to FORCE their beliefs and choices upon someone they think is too stupid to make a choice on their own. This is the key, this is the important thing to remember which is to ALLOW people to make their own choices and then allowing them to carry out that choice.

I see you’re in that period of mass confusions coming from your liberal beliefs to conservative beliefs.

It should be a very easy conversion because it is actually quite simple as follows:

Liberal beliefs:

Homeless man has made a choice of NOT wanting money BUT the liberal FORCES money on him.

Working man has made a choice of wanting money BUT the liberal FORCES him to part with a large chunk.


Conservatives beliefs:

Homeless man has made a choice of NOT wanting money SO the conservative respects his wishes.

Working man has made a choice of wanting money SO the conservative respects his wishes of making as much as he wants and spending it on anything he wishes.


Pretty simple huh?

 

With a handle like mine, it is a good bet I am conservative. But I have a degree from Berkeley, am in an interracial, international marriage obviously have mixed race kids, and actually cannot stand redneck culture (all you folks out there who consider themselves 'redneck' need not take this personally, it is not the point of my post). But my point is, you cannot make sweeping generalizations about someone based on their political point of view.

We here take the easy way out and throw insults at people we do not agree with. We have to admit that probably says more about our lack of standing to comment than it really does about whatever point of view we are taking. We really need to respect each other more.

I want to hear other points of view, but it is difficult and disappointing to try to read a 'discussion' that are just opposing rants. I have strongly held views, too, but I too need to try to temper them and try to find common ground so that I can at least understand why someone else may have reached different conclusions than I have.

Liberal thinking has accomplished a great deal in our country's history, and it is humbling to me, as one who usually ends up after all the discussion is done on the conservative side of most issues, to think that I might have taken the wrong side of some really important debates in the past century that liberals pushed.

My point is that we need to recognize that different ways of thinking provide valuable insights to all of us, even when they may not ultimately decide an issue.

My liberal friends should not be too smug about liberals record on issues like civil rights, since liberal thinking has been spectacularly wrong at times, too. Darn it, we need each other, so let's stop flaming each other.

I want to understand why black people (I am not black, big surprise) are so skewed to vote for the Democratic party. Why are evangelical christians so apt to vote Republican? (as an evangelical Christian myself, this is easier for me to understand, but it is obvious that those who are NOT seem to consider that the political viewpoint must be wrong if evangelicals think it is right). We need to understand why one person comes to the conclusion that Kerry is unacceptable, and Bush is perfect for the job, and why others feel that Bush is unacceptable and Kerry is (was) attractive.

The flame wars are a pain in the neck and not helpful.

 

PUT A SOCK IN IT LIBERAL!!!

Sorry, flaming just feels so much better...

 

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Bingo! You caught the entire point of the thread...


Besides, after trying the right-wing out for a couple weeks, I've finally given up... (The smell of bull***** had become unbearable...) I think I like it better over here in the middle...

 

Funny. I thought he was just trying to be sarcastic.

 

I'm sure the conservatives you were hanging out with didn't mean to let on about your aroma. At least you are now back where it won't be noticed by the rest of the "moderates." I hear that you can even get used to that smell, if you are around it enough.

 

 

I tried the opposite....I decided to go against my conservative ways and try out the liberal lifestyle.

So I come across this homeless guy with a sign that says "Will Work For Food"

Okay. I told him if he painted my house, I would buy him a bag of potato chips. WOW! The things he said. Long story short, he WOULDN'T work for food, after all.
I don't get it, I was going to supply the paint, the ladder, the tarps, the brushes, everything.... all he had to do was show up and start painting.

Oh well, so ends my journey into liberalism.

 

And to your left is a box of Kleenex tissues, please grab two and call me in the morning…

 

And to the right is a roll of toilet paper... Feel free to keep it...

 

Thanks bro, but no can do. I “suspect” there might be some gift “taxes” involved with that transaction. I have to keep my eyes on you liberals because you can be some tricky rascals…

 

good luck brother. Many factors come into play. one thing that i think is both great and a hugh handicap here is that there are many different ages, education levels, income bracket., the life style you lead, the way you were raised, you religious or lack of background.
I personally think that age and income dictate much of it. the beauty of this is that you have debate, have conversation or argument with someone that you may never approach in daily life.

very few presidents have ever crossed over with universal appeal to both the young the old, the rich the poor and the blue and white collar worker. i think having a diverse population is a good thing.

also remeber that there are people that are very strong debators and there hugh vocabulary and vast education makes them to strong to debate with, even though they may have average jobs and are average people on other levels. I can honestley say the the 5 most successful people i know are regular guys with little or no education, all five are happily married and generous to there kids.

so just remeber the guy on the other end of the conversation might be a bad spelling millionaire or some loser who is a great debator.
, you never know.

 

Well, thought I would try to lower the flame a notch, and it didn't work. BrotherDave, you have a thoughtful post. Thank you.

I am wondering how people took my post. Seems several thought I was upset at the results of the election (I was not; my man won). STX didn't get my point, and being moderate, rather than passonately liberal or conservative is often just a coverup for apathy.

I am sure that many of us wind up with different conclusions because we start at different points, different core values. Our core values are informed by different influences and backgrounds. It pays to understand these differences.

I get annoyed when the assumption is made that if you come to conclusions that happen to have a "conservative" tag on them, well then you must be either a) some country bumpkin (I have never lived in the countryside) or b) you are a religious fanatic (my faith is important to me, important enough for me to act on it. If having beliefs you act on is somehow a liability, well, I stand convicted) or c) you are a selfish racist pig who only wants to enrich himself and his clique. These stereotypes just don't fit me and probably do not fit many, although they might, in some ways fit any on either side of an issue.

I have strongly held views. I do not think everyone who disagrees with me is a Michael Moore (I single him out because he seems more than most in the liberal camp to be committed to outrageous overstatement, to be kind). Not everyone who holds conservative views wraps them up in Rush Lumbaugh's bombast, even if they agree with his core concept. Both of these men are entertainers, and get their wealth by stirring the pot. Neither of them should be taken for more than that.

Just my 2 cents worth...

 

The reason that there are a lot of moderates out there is b/c both major parties are so far to the extremes that there are a lot of people that are not well represented by either. There may be moderates who are apathetic but when your locked into a BS two party system who forces you to choose the lesser of two evils over and over again, you might start to feel like you never get the government you want, just the one you dislike the least.

I like to think I'm moderate with a lean to the right b/c I don't support the Bush administration’s hardcore positions on abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage and the environment. That isn't to say I'm far left on these, just I don't feel as strongly as the administration does and I don't care for extremes. I like their tough foreign policy and most of the rest of their domestic policy. I don't think that I can be called a conservative b/c of the above beliefs but then again I'm not marching in anti-war rallies, detest the UN, support pre-emptive military action and I don't support massive socialist government and much of the Democratic domestic policy. That leaves me in the middle, a moderate if you will and not apathetic, but annoyed that I have to choose between rightwing nut jobs and left wing fruitcakes.

I did like your statement about the misconceptions when you are a "conservative". Excellent point. I get called a **** by a bunch of far left wing co-workers on a regular basis and I'm sure what you said is exactly how they think.