I find when those lights really start annoying you one of these work best.
Turns them out for good..



Sled...

 

Many thanks for the comments, all very much apreciated

Even thought we have not been fomally intruduced yet

We are all still all humans and must share the highway systems
jointly, And its important to let all drivers and owners know

and promote discussion of the vehicle lighting systems on vehicles
so we may collect ideas and offer solutions.

Good road safety is based on common sense,

Which is what we use every day, and every body has ideas that may be important

Otherwise we cannot point out problem areas and suggest changes to the lighting systems

We are the people who operate the vehicles, and should have the best knowledge Collectively

If the vehicles Regulations were properly set and used at the factory with all road users in mind and having regard for the oncoming drivers

The road systems would be a lot better place to drive on,

the comment are well taken and apreciated

Collectively the Regulations can be updated for all drivers to enjoy

BUt we must find some one who cares and listens

Cheers BJ

 

Here are some suggestions for updating vehicle safety lighting regulations

Based on problems we have encountered in B.C Canada

Federal Motor vehicle lighting safety regulations require updating to require application of common sense road safety i.e..
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(A) all vehicles must be equipped with Daytime Running lamps that operate in the low beam of the headlamps at aprox 60% brilliance ( this prevents the need for additional lights to be installed that do not extinguish at night)

see weblink to Canadian D.R.L supplier

http://www.pacificinsight.com/

(B) All vehicles will be equipped with a maximum of 2 only, (AMBER COLORED) front parking lamps on extreme outer front fenders

(C) additional lights that are used as fog lamps will be equipped with i.e..
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(C1) illuminated on/off switch to allow operator to select Fog lamps only with front and rear parking lamps and marker lamps

(C2) switching to allow fog lamps to be operated with low beam lamps

(C3) wiring and switching to prevent fog lamps from operating on high beam operations

(C5) sequenced drop out feature supplied that when the operator selects fog lamps on low beam, and Then selects high beam
That the fog lamps will not operate again until the fog lamp switch has been selected again

This will prevent people from turning on the fog lamps and leaving them on, and never shutting them off

(D) additional lamps that are to operate as auxiliary driving lamps will be equipped with i.e.
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(D1) an Illuminated on/off switch to allow auxiliary driving lamps to operate alone with front and rear tail lamps and marker lamps

(D2) switching to allow operation of Auxiliary driving lamps with the high beam normal operations

(D3) switching to prevent the Auxiliary driving lamps from operating on low beam

Problem vehicles currently operating on our highway systems ( ROAD RAGE ATTRIBUTION FACTOR )
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- We have aprox 30% of the vehicle on the highway systems now that have major lighting problems effecting oncoming drivers

(A) too many lights operating at night similar to our complaint unit

(B) Many units operating additional lamps as D.R.L That do not extinguish at Night

(C) after market fog or driving lamps installed and Hard wired directly to low or high beam ( which prevent the driver from shutting off the lamps in clear weather or to ( respect the vision of of oncoming motorists)

(D) The lack of Roadside inspections by the R.C.M.P. and Vehicle inspection groups do nothing to promote safer night time roads

(E) The lack of Mandatory vehicle inspections across Canada, So far has fallen on the deaf ears of Politicians

And the Canadian Roads systems become ever more Dangerous to drive on at Nights, By Man made vehicle lighting designs. That are a ROAD RAGE Contribution factor

Happy motoring BJ

 

We found the problem with the additional parking lamps Mounted in the front bumper of the 2004 Ford Freestar

The vehicle has 2 legal amber colored park lamps on the front of the unit that operate at the Normal C.P Candela
2.207 each total for 2 lamps 4.414

These are really nice,

Than there is a double up of the Park lamp standard, Because of two more white lamps mounted in the from bumper.

These came from the factory with the wrong bulbs for park lamp operations Bulb # G.E 912 at 12 C.P.

The proper bulbs for this operation are Bulb # 916 at 2 C.P.

The safety standard for park lamp operations is built into the Bulb designed for the applications,

The amber colored park lamps operate with the high and low beam lamp operations to depict the side of the vehicle in the event of headlamp burnout. And prevent the vehicle from being mistaken for a motorcycle

WE are installing the proper bulbs on the next oil change ( cost of the bulbs aprox $ 3.00 for two in a bubble pack)

You can find the technical Bulb information In the following G.E manuals Miniature and sealed beam applications catalogue # GE
20699, and G.E lighting and selection guide # PC28870 most auto retailers have the manuals

There are several other Ford and Mercury units with the Wrong Bulbs installed they can be found in the above manuals

This wrong bulb installation is related to product sales and is an insult to the eyes of the oncoming motorists And prevents the driver from shutting off added parking lamps that are lit at all highway speeds

for vehicle and highway safety improvements on the Canadian and American highway systems

WE need a major recall of the units using the Wrong bulbs for the Parking lamp operations

Cheer BJ

 

Reminds me of a buddy I know with a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Not to long ago he installed cheap-*** HID kits on driving and fog lights. To make it worse he left the old housing untouched and got the bluish sets. Didn't even try to aim them at the ground. Always drives with all 4 on even during the day to be a show off. Always tryes to tell me how special he is, that sorry sob. People like that cause the accidents, **** off other drives, and get laws changed for the worst. I hate show offs. The funny thing is how pathetic HID's look in old school '97 housings. I wish he would shut the F up about them.

 

Better yet.
Stay off the roads when it is dark or the weather might warrant the use of lights.

 

In 2005 will all vehicles delivered to the U.S.A be equipped with Daytime Running Lamps??

Will the DRL be operated in the Low Beam of the head lamp system as in the Ford Freestar ??

Or will there be additional lamps installed to operate the DRL??

Will the additional DRL lamps extinguish at Night??

Will the added DRL lamps be in addition to the parking lamps??

Will the operator be able to shut off the added DRL lamps at Night??

Or will this be done automatically??

BJ

 

I recently bought the Hella FF50 with the FF standing for Free-Form Technology. There are no reflectors in the lens housing assembly. I have had to adjust the driving lights several times due to lights flashing from on-coming drivers.

My current setup of the driving lights are 10 feet from mounting point to lens ray hitting the ground. Also, I have both lens rays crossing at that point. So far, no flashing of lights this week.

What we really outta be swarking about are the orbital-projection lights on the lexus vehicles.

....that's what I'm tawking about.....

 

The main question is when we meet oncoming vehicles on clear nights

how many lights should we see, if the system is designed for
respecting the yes of oncoming drivers

Suggest 2 head lamps

suggest 2 park lamps

If there happens to be fog, suggest 2 added fog lamps

when the fog dissappears fog lamps are normally extinguished

On high beam there can be are added driving lamps

There may be 2 added driving lamps however these are extinguished on low beam

Have we missed any?? Daytime Running lamps are supposed to be extinguished at night time

BJ

 

ddaayyuumm I thought we beat this subject to death on the other thread!! RJ you are persistent.

 

I don't know about the rest of you guys/gals, but if I see a car "uncoming" I'm going to run like the ****ens...

 

Thanks for the spell check

The link below has some more discussion of the topic

http://www.policeworld.net/forums/in...p/topic,6196.0

Hava nice weekend

BJ

 

ROFLMAO!! Nice catch there closer!

 

I hope it isn't like last weekend! I got so drunk I forgot to turn on my lights the whole way from the bar!

Thank God I ended up driving the wrong way so all the headlights of the oncoming cars iluminated the road.

And if I didn't have a 500hp Lightning that handled so good I think that cop would've caught up to me!

Nothing like having the lawn sprinklers wake you up in the morning.

P.S. Guys don't mix zanny bars and 151

 

when we meet oncoming vehicles and there is no fog

how many lights should be lit??

two headlamps

Two fog lamps total is now 4

if fog is present two fog lamps total is now six
these should be extinguished after fog dis appears total 4

DRL should not be lit at night unless they are hidden in other lamps ie, Freestar located in low beam operations total 4

if added driving lamps are used they are tied to high beam operations and not visible on low beam total 4

Cheers BJ