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No offense but thats a pretty ignorant statement to make. Military and teaching isnt the same thing. Lets not even argue that because if you dont see the difference then you are an idiot.
9-10 teachers chose that profession because they want to teach, when many of our troops chose the military because it was their chance to make a good life. And most work multiple jobs with long hours and a great amount of time away from their families. I think any officer would love to have summers off at home and only work 8-5 each day for $40k a year. Do you even know what the pay scales are??? For FY05 a E-7 with 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE gets $36k a year. 20 years at E-7 is only $42k. Can you live and support a family (college, truck, house, wife, kids) off that. I think thats damn near poor for working your a$$ off for 20 years. Dont get me wrong a lot went through ROTC and officer school, and so on and may live at a "Country Club" but many of them also retired and went on to private practice. Most govt civilians are ex-military and this is where they are making the money, not from duty.
The problem here is everyone treats serving your country like a movie or a tv show. Everyone points fingers, makes assumptions and thinks its not all that bad...most of those people, much like yourself have their head up their a$$. Most of those people are also the ones that, if called would turn around and run rather than protect their nation. Now I am not military but a civilian employee, definitely doing my part, but I give our troops a whole lotta credit for the crap they put up with and how the govt takes every opportunity to ***** on em when needed. Yet some crack smoking moron that can bounce a ball gets millions, gimmie a break. This country is what it is today because of our troops. People making stupid comments like you did, **** me off. Not even worth a reply.
Tell you one thing, you standing next to a officer on the side of the road asking for a ride, I would back over you just so the officer didnt have to walk as far to my truck!
Barkin at a bigger dog boy, walk away!
9-10 teachers chose that profession because they want to teach, when many of our troops chose the military because it was their chance to make a good life. And most work multiple jobs with long hours and a great amount of time away from their families. I think any officer would love to have summers off at home and only work 8-5 each day for $40k a year. Do you even know what the pay scales are??? For FY05 a E-7 with 10 YEARS EXPERIENCE gets $36k a year. 20 years at E-7 is only $42k. Can you live and support a family (college, truck, house, wife, kids) off that. I think thats damn near poor for working your a$$ off for 20 years. Dont get me wrong a lot went through ROTC and officer school, and so on and may live at a "Country Club" but many of them also retired and went on to private practice. Most govt civilians are ex-military and this is where they are making the money, not from duty.
The problem here is everyone treats serving your country like a movie or a tv show. Everyone points fingers, makes assumptions and thinks its not all that bad...most of those people, much like yourself have their head up their a$$. Most of those people are also the ones that, if called would turn around and run rather than protect their nation. Now I am not military but a civilian employee, definitely doing my part, but I give our troops a whole lotta credit for the crap they put up with and how the govt takes every opportunity to ***** on em when needed. Yet some crack smoking moron that can bounce a ball gets millions, gimmie a break. This country is what it is today because of our troops. People making stupid comments like you did, **** me off. Not even worth a reply.
Tell you one thing, you standing next to a officer on the side of the road asking for a ride, I would back over you just so the officer didnt have to walk as far to my truck!
Barkin at a bigger dog boy, walk away!
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serotta-- your right your gonna catch some flak. I agree with you one one point. All of the military volunteered. However if you can last 30 years you are doing something wrong the training and exercises and all of the required stuff to stay fit will shorten your career. The analogy used during the second Gulf War was that the military people are essentially physically required to be professional athletes (with **** poor medical I might add). How many pro althetes do you see with a 20-30 year career? I can't talk for some of the other services but the Air Force has mandatory retirement. There is only one enlisted pay grade that can retire at 30 years the rest are substaintially shorter than this and as a result receive much less in retirement. To get an idea of the numbers of people at this paygrade the top two enlisted pay grades can only make up 3% of the force. So your looking at about 1% of the military.
I grew up around the military and was in for a while. The people you see retired from the military with a good retirement have normally worked more than one job most of their career or retired and gone on to another career. The ones who are living real well on just a military retirement are normally the mid to senior officers not the enlisted people.
I was in the military for 11 years. In that time I received 2 promotions (I came in with a couple stirpes) in addition to regular pay raises. Even with all of these pay raises it took me all of that time to make the same pay I made when I started at the department I where I currently work.
But your right they volunteered for it, so let's treat them like crap. That's why they are enacting stop-loss on most branches and have to pay high retention bonuses, because a lot of people are tired of being treated like a dog turd and are getting out.
To address you teacher/military analogy. Teachers work 40 hours/week. Gee tough job. Military in peace time work about that but when deployed 70-80 is more like the norm. A teacher down here, when you take into consideration they only work 10 months make equivelant to 42000 starting with only a 4-year degree. Granted take home is less than that, but what other job can you have 2 months off per year. Their pay can go up if they obtian advisnced degrees or certifications. The advance degree affects you promotions in the military but not you pay directly. Last time I checked a teacher did not have to know how to avoid being shot. Don't give me the have you seen the status of our schools B.S. either. Have you seen the status of a combat zone. It is not a common occurance for a teacher to be stabbed/shot/blown up. The teachers b!tch bacause they want people to think they have it worse than they do. I have talked with many teachers who complain about their benefits, yet when I check on the school board website to review the contract the teachers typically understate their pay and benefits and overstate their work. If they refuse to force the school board to honor the union contract it's not my fault. When was the last time you read over the union contract for the military?
I grew up around the military and was in for a while. The people you see retired from the military with a good retirement have normally worked more than one job most of their career or retired and gone on to another career. The ones who are living real well on just a military retirement are normally the mid to senior officers not the enlisted people.
I was in the military for 11 years. In that time I received 2 promotions (I came in with a couple stirpes) in addition to regular pay raises. Even with all of these pay raises it took me all of that time to make the same pay I made when I started at the department I where I currently work.
But your right they volunteered for it, so let's treat them like crap. That's why they are enacting stop-loss on most branches and have to pay high retention bonuses, because a lot of people are tired of being treated like a dog turd and are getting out.
To address you teacher/military analogy. Teachers work 40 hours/week. Gee tough job. Military in peace time work about that but when deployed 70-80 is more like the norm. A teacher down here, when you take into consideration they only work 10 months make equivelant to 42000 starting with only a 4-year degree. Granted take home is less than that, but what other job can you have 2 months off per year. Their pay can go up if they obtian advisnced degrees or certifications. The advance degree affects you promotions in the military but not you pay directly. Last time I checked a teacher did not have to know how to avoid being shot. Don't give me the have you seen the status of our schools B.S. either. Have you seen the status of a combat zone. It is not a common occurance for a teacher to be stabbed/shot/blown up. The teachers b!tch bacause they want people to think they have it worse than they do. I have talked with many teachers who complain about their benefits, yet when I check on the school board website to review the contract the teachers typically understate their pay and benefits and overstate their work. If they refuse to force the school board to honor the union contract it's not my fault. When was the last time you read over the union contract for the military?
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serotta-- your right your gonna catch some flak. I agree with you one one point. All of the military volunteered. However if you can last 30 years you are doing something wrong the training and exercises and all of the required stuff to stay fit will shorten your career. The analogy used during the second Gulf War was that the military people are essentially physically required to be professional athletes (with **** poor medical I might add). How many pro althetes do you see with a 20-30 year career? I can't talk for some of the other services but the Air Force has mandatory retirement. There is only one enlisted pay grade that can retire at 30 years the rest are substaintially shorter than this and as a result receive much less in retirement. To get an idea of the numbers of people at this paygrade the top two enlisted pay grades can only make up 3% of the force. So your looking at about 1% of the military.
I grew up around the military and was in for a while. The people you see retired from the military with a good retirement have normally worked more than one job most of their career or retired and gone on to another career. The ones who are living real well on just a military retirement are normally the mid to senior officers not the enlisted people.
I was in the military for 11 years. In that time I received 2 promotions (I came in with a couple stirpes) in addition to regular pay raises. Even with all of these pay raises it took me all of that time to make the same pay I made when I started at the department I where I currently work.
But your right they volunteered for it, so let's treat them like crap. That's why they are enacting stop-loss on most branches and have to pay high retention bonuses, because a lot of people are tired of being treated like a dog turd and are getting out.
To address you teacher/military analogy. Teachers work 40 hours/week. Gee tough job. Military in peace time work about that but when deployed 70-80 is more like the norm. A teacher down here, when you take into consideration they only work 10 months make equivelant to 42000 starting with only a 4-year degree. Granted take home is less than that, but what other job can you have 2 months off per year. Their pay can go up if they obtian advisnced degrees or certifications. The advance degree affects you promotions in the military but not you pay directly. Last time I checked a teacher did not have to know how to avoid being shot. Don't give me the have you seen the status of our schools B.S. either. Have you seen the status of a combat zone. It is not a common occurance for a teacher to be stabbed/shot/blown up. The teachers b!tch bacause they want people to think they have it worse than they do. I have talked with many teachers who complain about their benefits, yet when I check on the school board website to review the contract the teachers typically understate their pay and benefits and overstate their work. If they refuse to force the school board to honor the union contract it's not my fault. When was the last time you read over the union contract for the military?
serotta-- your right your gonna catch some flak. I agree with you one one point. All of the military volunteered. However if you can last 30 years you are doing something wrong the training and exercises and all of the required stuff to stay fit will shorten your career. The analogy used during the second Gulf War was that the military people are essentially physically required to be professional athletes (with **** poor medical I might add). How many pro althetes do you see with a 20-30 year career? I can't talk for some of the other services but the Air Force has mandatory retirement. There is only one enlisted pay grade that can retire at 30 years the rest are substaintially shorter than this and as a result receive much less in retirement. To get an idea of the numbers of people at this paygrade the top two enlisted pay grades can only make up 3% of the force. So your looking at about 1% of the military.
I grew up around the military and was in for a while. The people you see retired from the military with a good retirement have normally worked more than one job most of their career or retired and gone on to another career. The ones who are living real well on just a military retirement are normally the mid to senior officers not the enlisted people.
I was in the military for 11 years. In that time I received 2 promotions (I came in with a couple stirpes) in addition to regular pay raises. Even with all of these pay raises it took me all of that time to make the same pay I made when I started at the department I where I currently work.
But your right they volunteered for it, so let's treat them like crap. That's why they are enacting stop-loss on most branches and have to pay high retention bonuses, because a lot of people are tired of being treated like a dog turd and are getting out.
To address you teacher/military analogy. Teachers work 40 hours/week. Gee tough job. Military in peace time work about that but when deployed 70-80 is more like the norm. A teacher down here, when you take into consideration they only work 10 months make equivelant to 42000 starting with only a 4-year degree. Granted take home is less than that, but what other job can you have 2 months off per year. Their pay can go up if they obtian advisnced degrees or certifications. The advance degree affects you promotions in the military but not you pay directly. Last time I checked a teacher did not have to know how to avoid being shot. Don't give me the have you seen the status of our schools B.S. either. Have you seen the status of a combat zone. It is not a common occurance for a teacher to be stabbed/shot/blown up. The teachers b!tch bacause they want people to think they have it worse than they do. I have talked with many teachers who complain about their benefits, yet when I check on the school board website to review the contract the teachers typically understate their pay and benefits and overstate their work. If they refuse to force the school board to honor the union contract it's not my fault. When was the last time you read over the union contract for the military?
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Wow, I have to add to this. I am an E-7 with almost 11 years of service, and my girlfriend teaches fourth grade. She has been teaching for 3 years. I make double what she does, and I don't have to pay off student loans. Then again, she has never been deployed for 8 months. I guess that kind of evens it out. I chose to serve my country the way I do, and she is choosing to do it her way. I love what I do (most of the time), and I am not starving. I have a friend who just got out after 11 years and does the same job I do, only for a civilian company...he makes over twice what I make. There are E-3s getting shot at in Iraq who make a lot less than I do, even less than my girlfriend. That is a crime.
BTW, say what you want about the presidential candidates and the way they feel about military...I have gotten a larger (percentage) pay raise every single year that GWB has been in office than when the WJC was in the White House. Guess who's getting my vote.
BTW, say what you want about the presidential candidates and the way they feel about military...I have gotten a larger (percentage) pay raise every single year that GWB has been in office than when the WJC was in the White House. Guess who's getting my vote.
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I retired with 20 in 93 as an e-6. I am currently 40% disabled. My retirement is a little over 1100 a month taxable. The VA takes 40% of that and then gives it to me as my VA compensation and it is not taxed. My retirement is still 1100 a month. If you were disabled on the job and retired you would recieve disability and your retirement. Because I have less than 50% disability, I will not recieve duel compensation. This is not fair. GWB is working to correct that. I agree with all the active duty guys, a teacher does not have to eat field rations and sleep in a fart sack or cot for long periods of time. There is really no way to compare the two.
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Whoa, seems like a few defensive people out there. Where did I say to treat them like crap 1depd? I just stated they choose their profession, now live with it. They weren't drafted like some of us. It's a hard life, no doubt, most of us wouldn't want to do it for long. I was drafted went straight to Vietnam. No choices, be there or be in jail. I didn't choose Canada or somewhere else to run, I did my job as I saw it. Wasn't my cup of tea, I got out and started another career.
Let's not even get into the 2 months of "vacation" debate for teachers. That's without pay, you try taking two months off from your job without pay. Most of them work long hours (second or third job) during the summer trying to stay a step ahead of a bill collector. The salary thing varies from state to state, but around here and most of the south, teachers start in the low to mid 20's and don't get out of the mid 30's till they've been around close to 20 years.
Not that I don't sympathize with both professions (and a number of others). I do think they deserve more money and benefits, BUT, they went in with their eyes wide open.
EddyG88 Growup!
Let's not even get into the 2 months of "vacation" debate for teachers. That's without pay, you try taking two months off from your job without pay. Most of them work long hours (second or third job) during the summer trying to stay a step ahead of a bill collector. The salary thing varies from state to state, but around here and most of the south, teachers start in the low to mid 20's and don't get out of the mid 30's till they've been around close to 20 years.
Not that I don't sympathize with both professions (and a number of others). I do think they deserve more money and benefits, BUT, they went in with their eyes wide open.
EddyG88 Growup!
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wow, teachers in NC are getting the shaft from what Serotta says. Here in Rochester NY they clean up! My girlfriend started out at $32K right out of college in a poorer district (the budget that is not nessescarily the residents), and makes a lot more during the summer on tutoring, proctoring summer exams and grading those exams and last year she made a bundle teaching summer school as well. Its not unusual here to see teachers who have been around for 15-20 years pulling down $55-70K. What a difference the state makes. I'm usually not too sympathetic to teachers b/c most people who work as lab techs in academic institutuions have a bachelor's degree in the sciences and start out in the low $20K's and we usually get no more than a 3% raise a year (3% means you are at the top, 1.0-1.5% is common). Makes me wonder why I bothered to study biology sometimes. There are a lot of people getting screwed out there, including some teachers and certainly the bottom rung of the enlisted positions (and maybe a lot more for all I know) in the military.
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To address you teacher/military analogy. Teachers work 40 hours/week. Gee tough job. Military in peace time work about that but when deployed 70-80 is more like the norm. A teacher down here, when you take into consideration they only work 10 months make equivelant to 42000 starting with only a 4-year degree. Granted take home is less than that, but what other job can you have 2 months off per year. Their pay can go up if they obtian advisnced degrees or certifications. The advance degree affects you promotions in the military but not you pay directly. Last time I checked a teacher did not have to know how to avoid being shot. Don't give me the have you seen the status of our schools B.S. either. Have you seen the status of a combat zone. It is not a common occurance for a teacher to be stabbed/shot/blown up. The teachers b!tch bacause they want people to think they have it worse than they do. I have talked with many teachers who complain about their benefits, yet when I check on the school board website to review the contract the teachers typically understate their pay and benefits and overstate their work. If they refuse to force the school board to honor the union contract it's not my fault. When was the last time you read over the union contract for the military?
Gee tough job.
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Originally posted by serotta
Let's not even get into the 2 months of "vacation" debate for teachers. That's without pay, you try taking two months off from your job without pay. Most of them work long hours (second or third job) during the summer trying to stay a step ahead of a bill collector. The salary thing varies from state to state, but around here and most of the south, teachers start in the low to mid 20's and don't get out of the mid 30's till they've been around close to 20 years.
Not that I don't sympathize with both professions (and a number of others). I do think they deserve more money and benefits, BUT, they went in with their eyes wide open.
Let's not even get into the 2 months of "vacation" debate for teachers. That's without pay, you try taking two months off from your job without pay. Most of them work long hours (second or third job) during the summer trying to stay a step ahead of a bill collector. The salary thing varies from state to state, but around here and most of the south, teachers start in the low to mid 20's and don't get out of the mid 30's till they've been around close to 20 years.
Not that I don't sympathize with both professions (and a number of others). I do think they deserve more money and benefits, BUT, they went in with their eyes wide open.
I think you have your facts off a bit. Each year a teacher in NC signs a contract for a year. That contract for a full time teacher in the public school system starts at around 29k divided up into 11 monthly installments and that is right out of school. I know this cause my wife is a teacher's asst here in NC with a 4 yr degree and was thinking of going back to get her certificate to become a teacher. So she has checked into it. We have friends who are teachers, and most that stay in the profession get advanced degrees, so after you have been a teacher for 20 years in NC with a masters degree, you are making 60k. I know these are the facts for NC. The military does not pay that well for any enlisted personnel. IF you get an advanced degree, and IF you get accepted to OCS and IF you get promoted ahead of your peers (which is highly unlikely these days) you might make O-4 by 20 years which is pretty good, you will be making 66k plus benefits. However an 0-5 is equivilant to a business owner that commands a company of over 100 plus employees. You cannot compare him to a 3rd grade teacher. Bob Vila, I don't know what state you are in but your Mom should move if that is all she is getting. The teachers at my wife's school have helpers so they don't work but 40 hours a week tops but that is here in Wendell NC
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Okay first off pay is very relative to your location, $30k in Alabama isnt exactly the same as $30k in Washington. I will agree with Fatman on pay in NY. The Rochester City School district has been run by a corrupt crook for the last several years (now trying to get hired in DC) and the teachers are always contemplating strikes and what not but still dont start at less than 35k. Not to mention once you teach long enough a lot of districts offer tenure, similar to professors and then you are set.
Yes Serotta they do have summer off unpaid, but most dont sit on their a$$es those 2 months, they work summer school, tutoring or another job that gives them a full years employement and typically puts them over the $40k mark which isnt exactly bad pay for a very passionate profession. You are right, some teachers have it tough, but the toughest for a teacher isnt going to match up to any enlisted. You cant even compare the two of them, dont even put them in the same sentence. You were drafted, you should know that you work 24-7 even in peace time. I guarentee no teacher left their country, worked insane hours under poor conditions for months at a time at less than $40k a year (maybe peace corp?).
As far as "grow up" Come on even when you were writing your post you knew you were out of line. Havent you read anything on this site. You know the type of people you are talking to. You knew your uneducated, ignorant remarks were going to be attacked. By the end of your post you had me pretty pissed because its people that think like you that cause a lot of damage to our country and those who protect it. As a civilian I was offered a position over in Iraq as support for 3 times my current salary (more than ANY officer will ever see) and I still wouldnt take that job. Now picture a guy who comes from inner city living with no college potential and an opportunity to work a stand up job for his country going over there for not even 10% of what I would get, work 10 times the amount of hours and still be expected to protect me. Not all these guys go into the armed forces with eyes wide open. They go because its a job, its a life, its honest and honorable. Personally I think the guy who stands up and takes orders Washington gives him, that could take his life are worth more than $30k a year.
Now if you have a teachers position that will pay me 3 times my salary, you just tell me where to sign up!
Its not the same, thats all I am saying. And you should not judge what you dont fully understand.
I tried to be a little more grown up, :chest flared standing on tiptoes: ...how was that.
MEOW!
Yes Serotta they do have summer off unpaid, but most dont sit on their a$$es those 2 months, they work summer school, tutoring or another job that gives them a full years employement and typically puts them over the $40k mark which isnt exactly bad pay for a very passionate profession. You are right, some teachers have it tough, but the toughest for a teacher isnt going to match up to any enlisted. You cant even compare the two of them, dont even put them in the same sentence. You were drafted, you should know that you work 24-7 even in peace time. I guarentee no teacher left their country, worked insane hours under poor conditions for months at a time at less than $40k a year (maybe peace corp?).
As far as "grow up" Come on even when you were writing your post you knew you were out of line. Havent you read anything on this site. You know the type of people you are talking to. You knew your uneducated, ignorant remarks were going to be attacked. By the end of your post you had me pretty pissed because its people that think like you that cause a lot of damage to our country and those who protect it. As a civilian I was offered a position over in Iraq as support for 3 times my current salary (more than ANY officer will ever see) and I still wouldnt take that job. Now picture a guy who comes from inner city living with no college potential and an opportunity to work a stand up job for his country going over there for not even 10% of what I would get, work 10 times the amount of hours and still be expected to protect me. Not all these guys go into the armed forces with eyes wide open. They go because its a job, its a life, its honest and honorable. Personally I think the guy who stands up and takes orders Washington gives him, that could take his life are worth more than $30k a year.
Now if you have a teachers position that will pay me 3 times my salary, you just tell me where to sign up!
Its not the same, thats all I am saying. And you should not judge what you dont fully understand.
I tried to be a little more grown up, :chest flared standing on tiptoes: ...how was that.
MEOW!
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iginally posted by bigmack [/i]
Serotta:
I think you have your facts off a bit. Each year a teacher in NC signs a contract for a year. That contract for a full time teacher in the public school system starts at around 29k divided up into 11 monthly installments and that is right out of school. I know this cause my wife is a teacher's asst here in NC with a 4 yr degree and was thinking of going back to get her certificate to become a teacher. So she has checked into it. We have friends who are teachers, and most that stay in the profession get advanced degrees, so after you have been a teacher for 20 years in NC with a masters degree, you are making 60k. I know these are the facts for NC. The military does not pay that well for any enlisted personnel. IF you get an advanced degree, and IF you get accepted to OCS and IF you get promoted ahead of your peers (which is highly unlikely these days) you might make O-4 by 20 years which is pretty good, you will be making 66k plus benefits. However an 0-5 is equivilant to a business owner that commands a company of over 100 plus employees. You cannot compare him to a 3rd grade teacher. Bob Vila, I don't know what state you are in but your Mom should move if that is all she is getting. The teachers at my wife's school have helpers so they don't work but 40 hours a week tops but that is here in Wendell NC [/QUOTE]
Bigmack,
The North Carolina State Educational website quotes the following:
Years exp. Salary
0 $25,420
1 $25,840
2 $26,280
3 $31,170
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20 $39,760
Masters degree is around $43,740 for 20 years.
please reference: http://www.ncpublicschools.org/salary_admin/salinfo.htm
There are very few teachers making 60K in our system. Those that are close are Doctorial degree recipients with National Board Certification after 30 + years.
For those of you less informed, I have not argued the military and the teaching profession from a job description point of view. I have used teachers because they continually argue from the same underpaid position as the military. No comparison of jobs, are you listening "88".
As far as your other comment... ... as a civilian.... 'nuff said, walk a mile in my shoes. Combat, been there, done that! Won't be doing it again anytime soon. Not enough money in the whole world, now that I have a choice. Didn't have a choice the first time, or at least not one my conscience could live with. I stand by my remarks thus far, whether it's what you want to hear or not.
Oh, and some advise you may not want to hear.... talk less and listen more, it serves to increase your intelligence level as you age. You have made my original post something it was never intended to be by reading inuendos into it.
Oh, one more thing......
poopie!!!!
Serotta:
I think you have your facts off a bit. Each year a teacher in NC signs a contract for a year. That contract for a full time teacher in the public school system starts at around 29k divided up into 11 monthly installments and that is right out of school. I know this cause my wife is a teacher's asst here in NC with a 4 yr degree and was thinking of going back to get her certificate to become a teacher. So she has checked into it. We have friends who are teachers, and most that stay in the profession get advanced degrees, so after you have been a teacher for 20 years in NC with a masters degree, you are making 60k. I know these are the facts for NC. The military does not pay that well for any enlisted personnel. IF you get an advanced degree, and IF you get accepted to OCS and IF you get promoted ahead of your peers (which is highly unlikely these days) you might make O-4 by 20 years which is pretty good, you will be making 66k plus benefits. However an 0-5 is equivilant to a business owner that commands a company of over 100 plus employees. You cannot compare him to a 3rd grade teacher. Bob Vila, I don't know what state you are in but your Mom should move if that is all she is getting. The teachers at my wife's school have helpers so they don't work but 40 hours a week tops but that is here in Wendell NC [/QUOTE]
Bigmack,
The North Carolina State Educational website quotes the following:
Years exp. Salary
0 $25,420
1 $25,840
2 $26,280
3 $31,170
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20 $39,760
Masters degree is around $43,740 for 20 years.
please reference: http://www.ncpublicschools.org/salary_admin/salinfo.htm
There are very few teachers making 60K in our system. Those that are close are Doctorial degree recipients with National Board Certification after 30 + years.
For those of you less informed, I have not argued the military and the teaching profession from a job description point of view. I have used teachers because they continually argue from the same underpaid position as the military. No comparison of jobs, are you listening "88".
As far as your other comment... ... as a civilian.... 'nuff said, walk a mile in my shoes. Combat, been there, done that! Won't be doing it again anytime soon. Not enough money in the whole world, now that I have a choice. Didn't have a choice the first time, or at least not one my conscience could live with. I stand by my remarks thus far, whether it's what you want to hear or not.
Oh, and some advise you may not want to hear.... talk less and listen more, it serves to increase your intelligence level as you age. You have made my original post something it was never intended to be by reading inuendos into it.
Oh, one more thing......
poopie!!!!
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Originally posted by serotta
I know I'm gonna catch some flak from this, but here goes anyway.
Military career soldiers are just like teachers. Bitch about the low pay, bad hours, poor benefits. Hey, come to grips with it. Nobody told you to pick that profession. Get some training and work somewhere else if it ain't your cup of tea.
Funny, you hardly every see retired teachers or military personnel living in poverty. Most of the guys I know that spent thirty years in are living in planned communities with country club memberships, and I ain't talkin' about top brass either. I'm talking about E-8 and up. Same with teachers, don't see any of them on welfare, or even close to it.
I know I'm gonna catch some flak from this, but here goes anyway.
Military career soldiers are just like teachers. Bitch about the low pay, bad hours, poor benefits. Hey, come to grips with it. Nobody told you to pick that profession. Get some training and work somewhere else if it ain't your cup of tea.
Funny, you hardly every see retired teachers or military personnel living in poverty. Most of the guys I know that spent thirty years in are living in planned communities with country club memberships, and I ain't talkin' about top brass either. I'm talking about E-8 and up. Same with teachers, don't see any of them on welfare, or even close to it.
Damn right civilian, but you rest easy in NC that I am doing my part in Washington to keep our troops and your truck safe and sound. By choice.
poopie??? lol
....er....I mean....good one