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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 05:56 PM
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This is a great article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5482059/

"The lesson here is the one Voltaire once wrote about.

"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it,'' he wrote, and the founding fathers of our country took that thought and those words to heart. That is what being an American is really supposed to be about. Having the freedom to say what you believe without someone trying to intimidate you to be silent was one notion the framers of the constitution felt strongly about."

It's a shame that Here, in America, you can't voice your opinion without being called "liberal Scum.".... Intimidate is the Key word here.. Read the article..

 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:18 PM
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"The lesson here is the one Voltaire once wrote about.

"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it,'' he wrote, and the founding fathers of our country took that thought and those words to heart. That is what being an American is really supposed to be about. Having the freedom to say what you believe without someone trying to intimidate you to be silent was one notion the framers of the constitution felt strongly about."

It's a shame that Here, in America, you can't voice your opinion without being called "liberal Scum.".... Intimidate is the Key word here.. Read the article..
You liberals are so funny ever time you “try” to defend freedom of speech. You don’t believe in it and your post above proves that fact. Honestly re-read your post and see how you contradicted yourself.

In one sentence your write ” It's a shame that Here, in America, you can't voice your opinion” and then go on to state ” without being called "liberal Scum.".... Intimidate is the Key word here.”

Now, nobody has every called anyone here ”liberal scum” Yes people like me have called you liberal and for some reason you look at that as an insult and then on your VERY OWN conclude you are scum for being a liberal.

I am proud about being conservative so why are liberals not proud of whom they are and what they stand for?

And why is it you and liberals in general can make any statements you wish but when someone like me, who does not usually agree with you, makes a statement it is somehow intimidating to you and somehow I have offended you and for that I should lose my freedom of speech.

Point is, as I have said on many of occasions, freedom of speech is a TWO-WAY street, either you for freedom of speech or your NOT for freedom of speech and with your post you are currently NOT for freedom of speech…

I have never been offended or intimidated by anyone’s statements or comment to me and sometimes they can be down right nasty. I don’t allow myself to be intimidated by another person exercising their rights and I do NOT EVER try to portray myself as a “victim” but rather I do my best to confront the individual and make my point by exercising MY freedom of speech.

I may rarely agree with you but I would take a bullet to protect your right to call me anything nasty you wish so long as you nor anyone else takes my right away to have an opinion and voice it without someone claiming to be timid and intimidated…
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:19 PM
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I pity the poor sucker who tries to get in his face about it.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:27 PM
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As to the article you linked to it goes to show that yet again another STUPID entertainer has gone and entered into a realm they do NOT get paid for. He is a baseball player, not a very hard job and most likely 10 others out there that could play better then him but didn’t get that “lucky” chance…

He needs to SHUT HIS MOUTH or suffer the consequences for his actions. I get tired of these spoiled little overpaid babies whining about NOT being able to FORCE their STUPID opinions on everyone else.

He is a ball player and NO one special. He is not going to cure cancer nor is he going to be the first human to land on Mar’s in other words his opinion is worth no more or no less then mine.

Yes I would feel the same way about any other entertainer voicing their opinion when they are suppose to be doing their JOB. For example Ted Nugget is a big time conservative and I really like his music. However if I ever went to see him in concert I want him to keep his mouth SHUT about politics or any other opinions he may have unless it is to tell the crowd that rap music sucks…
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
As to the article you linked to it goes to show that yet again another STUPID entertainer has gone and entered into a realm they do NOT get paid for. He is a baseball player, not a very hard job and most likely 10 others out there that could play better then him but didn’t get that “lucky” chance…

He needs to SHUT HIS MOUTH or suffer the consequences for his actions. I get tired of these spoiled little overpaid babies whining about NOT being able to FORCE their STUPID opinions on everyone else.

He is a ball player and NO one special. He is not going to cure cancer nor is he going to be the first human to land on Mar’s in other words his opinion is worth no more or no less then mine.

now just take out the words "ball player" and "entertainer" and substitute " electric motor manufacturer employee".

How's it going, ay Burt?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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"He needs to SHUT HIS MOUTH or suffer the consequences for his actions."

Yep, this sums up my point exactly. Very American...
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by BHibbs
"He needs to SHUT HIS MOUTH or suffer the consequences for his actions."

Yep, this sums up my point exactly. Very American...
Yes it is VERY American, it's called an opinion or otherwise known as "Freedom of Speech"
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 07:07 PM
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now just take out the words "ball player" and "entertainer" and substitute " electric motor manufacturer employee".

How's it going, ay Burt?
LMAO...

It's going well my friend
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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Free speech doesn't mean you get a free pass if you say something stupid. Your freedom of speech doesn't preclude someone elses right to exercise their own right to disagree with you either. The right of free speech is protection from governmental pursecution, not from criticism.
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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I don't think Delgado was intimidated by any of these screwballs yelling and spitting at him, I guess it's just what Society has now come to.

The Boy Scouts don't allow Homosexuals, and now they get Boo'd and hissed at when they have a gathering, Arnold S. Trys to make a funny Girlie Man Comment and he gets Boo'd and Hissed at.

You guys seem fine to just Chaulk it up as Freedom of speach. I won't stop you from saying what's on your mind. What's sad is Delgado didn't even say anything. It was a SILENT protest in a Peaceful manner.... If you guys don't see the difference between that and Yelling hateful comments, hissing and spitting and throwing stuff, I guess there's just no point.

My view, and I stand by it, is that it's UN-AMERICAN. Especially when someone is just expressing their opinion. He should be able to express his Opinion and not have to "Pay for it" (Especially when he's right). Just like you guys should be able to express yours without having to "pay" .

I'm not trying to get you guys to not say you disagree with Delgado. I'm just trying to keep you from hitting him on the head with a beer bottle...
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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Try showing up to a Chevy truck club that has about 100 members and then practice your free speech and tell them how Chevy sucks…

You will see that sometimes though you have a right to free speech there is nothing stopping others from letting you know how stupid you may be for not actually using the gray matter between your ears…

People like me are always getting ridiculed for our beliefs because they make sense and they are the truth which many people don’t want to accept. You make a good point about society and what liberals have made it to be in this day and age.

Use to be if 99 of 100 people wanted a local building painted white then white it was. Then as liberals have torn down the basic principles of society we have to worry about the one whinny moron that wants the building red while the other 99 want it white. Those 99 are portrayed as racist, bigots, idiots, and people who have no feelings and no tolerance for the odd ball and then the odd ball sues the city and now the building is red. That is NOT America or the American way…

This idiot decides to protest while he should be doing his JOB and now he will pay the price. That is life and that is the American way, it’s about risk and taking chances, it just happens this moron didn’t use any logic and/or had a failed thought process which lead him to this point. Someone needs to inform him he is a grown man and mommy can NOT help him or protect him for being completely STUPID!!!!!!!!!

So BHibbs are you with us or against us? Are you for free speech or are you STILL against free speech?
 
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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I'm with you when you say there are Many out there with failed thought process' and no Logic.

This phantom "liberal" of yours is great. He's the cause of All evils.. It's typical for a Right wing conservative. There can be NO uncertainty. No responsibility, the Devil made me do it.

You throw your bottles and blame the Liberal, whatever helps you sleap at night...
 

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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 07:22 AM
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It's typical for a Right wing conservative. There can be NO uncertainty. No responsibility, the Devil made me do it.

You throw your bottles and blame the Liberal, whatever helps you sleap at night...
Actually you have some of that wrong so, as usual, let me once again correct you:

There can be NO Uncertainty”: That is pretty much dead on. Unlike typical liberals were everything is a “gray area” I believe in the vast majority of all issues there is a right/correct way and a wrong/incorrect way and thus there is usually “certainty”.

”No responsibility”: Wrong, people like myself which is the majority of America do have and completely believe in responsibility and accept responsibility unlike liberals in general. I guess it would be hard for those like you to accept responsibility when everything has “gray area”.

”The devil made me do it”:

”You throw your bottles and blame the Liberal”: Wrong again, if I throw a bottle I accept complete responsibility for my actions and blame no one but myself. It would be my will that made me throw the bottle and not my childhood, neighborhood or the other many excuses liberals use to get out of accepting responsibility. Now since I always accept responsibility for my actions I would have never thrown the bottle to begin with…

”Whatever helps you sleep at night”: I sleep very well at night because honesty, accountability and responsibility allow me to do so…


So I take it you’re still not on board on your support for Free Speech and that EVERYONE should be allowed to exercise it. That is one of the big differences between liberals in general and conservatives like myself. We are inclusive and not prejudice while liberals in general are extremely exclusive and prejudice...
 
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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 10:48 AM
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Yes, I AM for Freedom of speech. I don't use intimidation and violence to keep those unpopular to me from voicing their opinion. Those that Do just don't understand what America is really all about...
 
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Old Jul 23, 2004 | 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by BHibbs

This phantom "liberal" of yours is great. He's the cause of All evils.. It's typical for a Right wing conservative. There can be NO uncertainty. No responsibility, the Devil made me do it.
"The phantom liberal", he must be the second cousin to the members of "The vast right wing conspiracy". They all spend most of their time paying croquet with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, when they are not out destroying America. Both sides get into ridiculous scape goating.
 
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