I would assume that to be the case…

 

 

this is where moore and his movie belong

 

Michael Moore...

Talk about a load that should have been swallowed!

I'll spend the $7 on a 6 pack and follow this post instead.

 

Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT



Moore: Trying to have it three ways

One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wi****l and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.

Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt Al Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.

To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.

However, I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that "fact-checking" is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers—get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of.

If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD. You might hope that a retrospective awareness of this kind would induce a little modesty. To the contrary, it is employed to pump air into one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture. Rock the vote, indeed.

 

I finally got a chance to see the movie tonight after waiting in line for over a half hour and cramming in a packed theatre (with a bunch of angry popcorn-eatin' democrats seeing the movie for the 5th time to pad the numbers as suggested before ) All in all, as biased as it was I was pretty impressed. Instead of seeing the pro-Bush folks line up to paint everyone who views and considers the points, and dare I say it facts F911 presents as a bunch of dope-smoking-non-American-liberal-traitors, I'd be a lot more impressed to hear a pro-Bush rebuttle dealing with the specific allegations made.

But let's face it.. Getting the liberal-paintbrush out is always easier and a lot more fun!

 

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1970759

 

Well like it or not, that’s unfortunately the way sh*t goes down when extreme political positions, Left or Right, are coerced on people that don't share the same political view.

 

Typical brainwashed moron. It is funny to hear these same people whine about their freedoms of speech but yet will pound on others for exercising their freedom of speech.

As I have always maintained there is NO tolerance practiced by the liberals, they practice what they love and cherish, socialism, dictatorship and censorship…

However liberals do firmly believe in President Bush’s motto:

”You’re either with us or you’re against us”

They just don’t believe in it for terrorist supporting nations, they believe in it when it comes to the American citizens, you’re either with us (liberals) or we WILL make you conform to our ways by terrorist intimidation. No wonder liberals love terrorist so much, it’s like their second cousins…

Michael Moore is a terrorist supporter he has proved that with his actions and now his film…

 

In all fairness, Burt, you have to acknowledge that there are extremists on either end of the political spectrum that utilize violence and intimidation to support their beliefs.

Not to drive this too off-topic, but an example that immediately comes to mind is that it's not liberals that blow up abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors, it's conversative, right-wing extremists.

 

I asked for opinions of the movie from those who had seen it ...and we're on page three now.

Now I know I have been very guilty of taking a thread off topic but, I didn't think the payback would all come in one thread.

 

I absolutely agree with that…

Those like the morons that go and blow up, intimidate women trying to enter abortion clinics and attempt and sometimes kill abortion doctors are in my opinion terrorist.

A terrorist is just that any individual, race does not matter, but any individual that tries to force their beliefs and/or values on others through intimidation…

Timothy McVane is another example of an extremist right wing terrorist. I do not for a minute think there is not some real wackos on the right because there is and I do not in any way agree with them and when ever the opportunity comes for me to view my opinion on them I do. KKK is another terrorist organization, I don’t know if you could call them left or right wing extremist. I guess they are a bipartisan group but nonetheless they are what they are.

So Webmaster you bring up a good point and others should always remember that terrorist are not just nut case extremist from the Middle East but they come in all colors, religious, and political backgrounds…

Michael Moore just happens to come from the left wing liberal nut case extremist group…

 

01, your opinions are always based on some truth and you certainly have a right to them, but you do have a habit of putting all liberals into one pile, but allow for conservatives to be segregated, "As I have always maintained there is NO tolerance practiced by the liberals". This statement that is simply not true. Living in the area where we live, we both know plenty of liberals, plenty of them are perfectly nice, good people. Some farther left than others. I have to say, most of the liberals I know are very tolerant, in fact they are so annoying when they go out of their way to be tolerant. Some extreme left-wingers are so concerned about being tolerant of other cultures and religions, they erode what this country was founded on. Maybe you don't mean it to come across as such, but you do seem to blame all liberals for the actions of the extremists. If that's the case, then we should go with the webmasters comments and apply them to all conservatives. Webmaster's comments are right on the money.

 

A VIEWER! A VIEWER! MY KINGDOM FOR A TICKET STUB HOLDING VIEWER!

 

Not anywhere near to the same degree as the far right-wing. The right-wing extremist try harder 10-fold to paint anyone that doesn't agree with their political viewpoints as a terrorist abroad or a left-wing liberal here at home. It's grown to the point where the right-wing extremist attempt to label anyone that doesn't agree with the Bush admin's political viewpoints in anyway, shape or form, or for that matter even ask any questions, as a non-american liberal whose opinion doesn't count. Again, why debate the specifics when you can just attempt to discredit your opponent's opinion to begin with in an attempt to 'disqualify' the opposing opinion? That way you don't have to worry about the little things like the specifics, or what's the truth, or who is right or wrong. It's the unofficial extremist way (on the right side or the left.)