Merely an objective question....

Why is it that the champions of freespeech, are so fast to claim freespeech when it involves anything that is liberal, or undermines family values or offensive to Christians. "It's my constitutional right", they cry. Yet when a conservative uses his constitutional right to free speech. The same champions of free speech cry bout responsibility of freespeech. I never understand it how liberals get to have it both ways.

Is it just me that see this, or just another loony wacko-conservative conspiracy?

 

It’s just wacko liberals wanting it both ways. They have their champion running for president who in the past 18 + years in Congress has tried to have it both ways on many things and that is the reason no one “really” knows where Kerry stands on any particular issues.

Liberals are exclusive unless you’re in their “group” then and only then are they inclusive that’s why you see them pit one group against the other, poor against rich, old against young, one race against the other the liberals are a pretty mean bunch of people and can be quite racist and very prejudice at times as well…

 

Posting the 10 commandments in a school is NOT free speech.

Don't believe XLT. We love Everyone. That's why I spend so much time argueing with Fundamentalist Conservatives.

 

Here's MY little bit of "Free Speech":

If you all would spend less time trying to "categorize" and fix others, and work on fixing YOURSELF, we would all benefit.

Not a personal slam, just an observation.

My 2 cent's on Freedom of Speech.
(Let the verbal abuse commence)

Lonster

 

First amendment:

”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”


You be the judge...

 

How wrong you are Bhibbs. The constitution says "freedom of religion", not freedom from religion. Besides, like it or not, the laws of this land are based on the 10 commandments. Kinda like Ted Koppel once said, " they're the 10 commandments, not the 10 suggestions." If I were an atheist I would want my kids to have an understanding of what they are. But then again, the Bible has predicted this nations demise, we are starting to see it right now. The atheists/agnostics will get their way. Prophesy fulfilled, yet again.

 

Hey I'm an agnostic and I don't think there's anything wrong with a little religion in school. I don't buy into there being official classes promoting any religious belief, but if the kids want to go to "(insert religion here) workshop" after/during school that's cool. Just don't MAKE them do it.


There's two extreme sides : The ones that think you HAVE to believe in their religion and then the ones that think you HAVE to deny religion. Both are equally wrong.

 

Just out of curiosity, which of the ten commandments do have a problem with? I am not a religious person; but, I can see the importance of religion, as a mortar for society through the ages and as we know it today. Religion has slowly evolved to accept the truths we have discovered over the millennia. I do not believe man has a personal relationship with God, not in life or death. I do see the importance of religion. If you do not, you are a fool.

 

Hey, I am NOT an agnostic and I think this is a true statement. I really think that our founding fathers, and in particular George Washington, who by the way was NOT agnostic or Deist (close to the same thing...Jefferson and Franklin were Deists) but rather a practicing Christian. Washington was convinced that to require anyone to believe a particular religion cheapened that faith. It should stand on its own, but certainly the state should not persecute any legitimate faith, nor should they try to purge references to it. It is about respecting others.

You can always find some overly sensitive people who complain that if one person practices his faith in public that such is somehow breaks the First Amendment. The point is to keep the government LAWS out of the way of any legitimate faith people hold.

TS

 

Here is what I think about posting the 10 commandments and/or school prayer in public schools:

First it should not be the business of the state, city or federal government to tell any public school if they can or can not post the commandments or have school prayer.

The reason is simple, because the First amendment specifically tells them to BUTT OUT and mind their own business.

With that said it should be up to each school to do as they see fit and that is simple. You do what the majority of the parents wish. If the majority of the parents do “not” wish for the 10 commandments to be posted and/or no school prayer then that is that.

It does not in any way interfere with the Constitution since the parents are private citizens and not associated with the government. On the same token if the majority of parents wish to have the 10 commandments displayed and/or school prayer then that is that as well and still absolutely NO problem with the Constitution.

It is so hard for so many liberals to simply read and understand the Constitution. They seem to read all kinds of things between the lines when the wording is so VERY CLEAR…

 

Then it's also perfectly ok to post the Koran in every school across the nation? That's an established religion, but I bet that most Christians wouldn't defend THAT right as much as they defend putting up the 10 commandments, but hey, it doesn't say which established religions, just established religions.

 

I do not see any problem with having a course that gives an overview of each of the major religions (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Satanist, Atheist/agnostic). I do not think any courses taught on religion should be manditory for graduation just a simple this is what this sect is about then move on.

 

Not talking about courses being offered, just saying post the Koran right up there on the wall where everybody that comes in sees it. Do you want your kids to see that? What about the court house, too? I don't, but if I want one religion out of the school, then it would be unfair and hyppocritical to want mine in there.

 

This country was founded on basic Christian beliefs...right? They were the people that settled here and the ones that wrote the constitution...for the most part. Weren't many of them fleeing religious persacution? Well, how about this;

Get rid of the God and church references, and post the basic meanings of the other commandments...something like...

Kids, here are some rules to follow that will make you a better person;

1...Don't kill anybody
2...Don't steal anything
3...Honor you parents
etc.
etc.

Aren't these the basic rules for most religions anyway?

MR

 

See Viper's comments.

I'd bet a large amount would not approve of it, but would not try and stop it. The extremists would.